new from europe (arthritis and vetoryl?) - Ian, Flynn and Enya have passed

hi patti, yes they don't look the same anymore. they look much more like an old dog now. i try to walk them as much as they want to keep those muscles in good shape. it is very foggy here today and 3 degrees celsius [0 is freezing overhere in europe] hopefully the weather improves so you can walk with tipper again. doesn't she like the cold? maybe several times a day for a short walk? lots to worry about with our doggies, but i try to enjoy their company too. i've got 3 10+ dogs.....and one black cat.

Hi:
I just wanted to tell you Tipper developed a heart murmur as a result of the Cushings I am sure. Since your heart must work much harder in cold weather I am careful not to walk he in it. I take her around the yard, but no walking as it restricts their blood vessels. Be careful with your babies in cold weather as I have seen many people on here whose dogs have heart murmurs. They are also very susceptible to any heat in the summer. Tipper wears a coat now even when going out to go potty. Her hair is sparse now and she has no real insulation as a lot of their fat is redistributed also. It makes fat travel to places where it has never been on them. I also have her on fish oil to get rid of the fat in her blood. Were your dogs tirglycerides real high? That is fat mobilized into their blood and you must get rid of it. Sound like you are having frigid temperatures like us. Stay warm and safe. Blessings
Patti

ok, i understand why you don't walk outside with tipper in this harsh weather. thanks for the tip about the heart and vessels. they do get omega 3 fish oil with their food. are your supplements in yet? can you tell me which ones you are using to help tipper? i wish i had more money to do more tests, but i have not at this moment. like you, i'm alone with my pets. gr iris.

Patti has a whole list of supplements that she uses. In general most of us use some sort of liver support supplement. The fish oil you are already using.
Hawthorne has been good for heart issues. Not sure if that is a factor for your babies or not.
I just use heppato support for the liver as that seems to be where my molly's problems are.

You are never alone when you have all of us around! :)

hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

thank you sharlene for your nice words. i'm glad i found this forum. the liver is indeed where my dogs problems are. enlarged liver. heppato support; are those herbs? it is a very complex disease........i have to go to bed now, but this forum is very interesting. gr iris.

I get Heppato Support supplement from my vet, so not herbal. In the US they have something similar called Denamarin. You're in the Netherlands right, they should have something along the lines, with maybe milk thistle in it.
okay I just checked and they have Denamarin at amazon.co.uk There might be something else cheaper online that is available to you, but that is what you would be looking for.
Sleep well.
hugs,
Sharlene and Molly Muffin

I do give Tipper supplements. I give her about 1/2 teaspoon of Manuka Honey for acid reflux, S Adenosyl for her Liver support, GlycoflexIII for her joints and trachea, Cardio strength for her heart, Renal support for her kidneys, 150 mg of Vitamin E, Hawthorn for her heart. I may have left one out I will add it when I remember. Just be aware of your dogs breathing, and how he sounds after running to see if he is winded which could mean heart issues. Also watch their eyes, I check Tipper's regularly to make sure she can see well, as she had an issue a while back, and because they get calcium deposits on their eyes which require drops sometimes. You dogs back and musculoskeletal system can be affected also. Tipper has a small indentation in her back where the muscle is gone and the weight of her stomach has pulled down on her back. She has to have cold laser therapy to make sure she is not having pain from it. I still worry about these tremors at nite. Some nites are worse than others. Stay warm and safe. Blessings
Patti

ok, thank you both for the list of supplements. i will look them up. everything is worth the try. i was able to get 2 boxes of vetoryl via an advert on a forum because their dog died. i paid for it, but it never arrived. when i email them, they always say; tomorrow... today i got an email saying that it should be there today. you can quess it; it didn't show up. i'm afraid that they are fake and just took the money...[$%^&* people there are on this planet] it was enough for 4 months, and it was a lot of money for me!! makes me very sad!!

That makes me sad and mad, that someone on some forum somewhere would take advantage like that. :mad::mad::(

I sure hope it arrives and restores my faith in humanity - for someone to do something like that to you.:(

Hopefully they are just scatterbrained like me and haven't quite gotten all their ducks in a row yet, and may have even lost a few. :p I hope it shows up soon. I tend to want to believe everyone in the dog world is like most of us here - good-hearted, compassionate, honest folk - but that sadly proves not to be true at times. :( And I'm shocked every time. :rolleyes::(:eek::mad::(