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jxeno13

05-07-2014, 12:27 PM

Thank you for the well wishes and concern! :D We're happy with the outcome yesterday. I do wish though that I could have also seen the neurologist while we were there, but I'll take care of that next. So, far it's not seemingly the real problem for him yet anyway. But, I'll be watching him closely for that! BTW, that was for the drooling. The IMS thinks it could be a nerve on the left side of his tongue. It also seems sensitive if you try to touch it.

I'm going to wait though until probably the next week or so, (to pay my present bill off)...to get the next tests run. I know not to run the cortisol level with Predisone within 24 hrs. ....I'm also happy she's working with my Vet here. The IMS said Eli's was probably sensitive to the Vetoryl.....but as far as what to start him back out at even 15 mg.....probably would depend on his cortisol levels. She'll probably start him back at 15 mg from the way she sounded, to me anyway. Also, she said that could be a month or two up the road before Eli was back up to par...and we'd still wait until until he really started back with the "drinkin' and drippin'" (i call it ).before we'd start him back on the medication again.

The IMS, a VERY NICE lady Vet..gave me directions to have my Vet give Eli a CBC, ACTH Stim, and a Biochemistry profile. Not to give him the Predisone the day of the tests and not to let him eat after 8 the night before his appointment. She said his cortisol levels should improve over the next few weeks. He's already showing MUCH improvement from where he was! YAY!! :D:D:D:D

I tried carecredit.com but, I also have a 50K college loan hanging over my head on CR. So, creditors don't take kindly to that, concerning my income, and being I'm disabled and retired, although my loan has never been in default. <sigh> It still sadly doesn't look good....boiling down to loans out vs income. :( So, I'm back to square minus one. But, things will work out somehow. They usually do ....somehow. I have faith! :D

goldengirl88

05-07-2014, 02:09 PM

JoAnn:
I was just thrilled to hear Eli was eating his food!! Did you look on the main page under resources? I think there are place on there where you can apply for financial help.

molly muffin

05-07-2014, 08:40 PM

It does sound like you are on the right track and awesome that the IMS is willing to work with your vet, so you won't have to do trips up there all the time. Maybe yearly going forward, or may be that just your vet can now consult regularly.

So, well, Eli was on 60mg and weighed 29lbs, so that is very possible that it was a crash, in fact I think that is what we all thought and was part of the IV fluid and prednisone course that followed. So, it might be he doesn't have to go back on cushing meds for a very long time. He would need to be OFF prednison and have a cortisol level high again, along with symptoms of the eating/peeing, etc of cushings, which he doesn't have right now. We've had dogs crash that ended up not needing cushing meds for quite a long time. I think Princess was the longest at a year. So, that is fine and waiting until you can have the funds and schedule something with your home vet is fine. I mean, we know that he needs pred now and is likely still low. Even a baseline would show you that much I bet.

have you contacted
http://www.thepetfund.com/
http://www.srdogs.com/Pages/needhomes.other.resources.html
http://www.tailwaggersclubtrust.com/
http://www.shakespeareanimalfund.org/
http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/tips/trouble_affording_veterinary_care.html
https://www.facebook.com/notes/dachshund-rescue-south-florida/resources-for-financial-help-for-veterinary-bills/10151165829365837
http://www.needhelppayingbills.com/html/help_with_vet_and_pet_bills.html

Okay that was what I could find and hope that one of those options will be helpful for you.

If I think of anything else I'll let you know.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

jxeno13

05-08-2014, 10:47 AM

Thanks, Sharlene for the links and Patti! I did try some...I looked at so many I forgot now all the names. Many are state specific and area specific. In KY they only had spay and neuter. I did apply to 2 finally and never heard anything back, but I'll keep trying.

If Eli won't need meds and keeps doing good for awhile, it'll give me a chance to do a catch up.......and try to put some money away for him. That would probably be the best case scenario. Some of the links just tell you how to raise money on your own, garage sales, fundraising, etc. Anyway.....I will keep trying.

I'm going to talk to my Vet tomorrow. I have my own Drs. appt, so I won't be in town until later this evening.

goldengirl88

05-09-2014, 09:25 AM

JoAnn:
I am hoping today brings some more improvement with Eli. How is he doing eating? I hope he gets turned around, as I know what a worry this has been on you. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-09-2014, 12:38 PM

JoAnn:
I am hoping today brings some more improvement with Eli. How is he doing eating? I hope he gets turned around, as I know what a worry this has been on you. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! Eli's improving more everyday! Now, he's back to eating like a pig and eating dog food, at that! YAY! I also cut back on his treats... He's holding everything down...and seems like a happy camper. He can't jump on the couch anymore and his stomach is back to looking distended again. But, I know that's all part of this awful disease. I'm going today to talk to the Vet.....and see where we go from here. I'm in the kind of sit and wait a bit mode......since he's doing so good and the IMS said it would be a few weeks for him to recover. We need to regroup a bit....and get calmed down...and de-stress some. :D:D

How is your sweet Tipper doing? Better I hope! I'm keeping you both in my prayers as well!

jxeno13

05-09-2014, 12:44 PM

Could someone easily explain the difference pituitary microadenomas and macroadenomas?? Eli does have a pituitary tumor.....I'm wonder now if that would have something to do with his drooling and nerve problem on the back of his tongue. I wish I had the neurologist look at him while I was in Louisville, but my funds were so limited. :( The size of the tumor?

molly muffin

05-09-2014, 03:30 PM

Most dogs with PDH cushings have a very small microadenomas tumor that never causes problems. Some dogs do develope the larger macrotumors what put pressure on the brain. Due to where the pituitary gland is located this is often seen as symptoms of starring into space and at walls, getting stuck in corners, not being able to stand, etc. This is also most common in dogs with the skull shapes like boston, boxer, pit, etc. I can't remember the exact wording for the skull shape.
That is not to say that others don't have it, just it is seen less frequently. I don't know if that would affect his nerve in his tongue. He might have accidently bit his tongue hard and caused some damage? Not sure. Unless it is becoming a more problematic issue not sure if I wouldn't wait to see if that resolved on it's own or not. You could ask your vet about it too when having your discussion with him.

I'm so glad to hear that Eli is doing better. That is great news on a day we really needed it :)

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

flynnandian

05-09-2014, 09:50 PM

goldengirl88

05-10-2014, 09:25 AM

JoAnn:
That is so true what Iris said about the facial paralysis. This disease just has so may issues it can cause. I hope Eli is still eating and on the way to a complete recovery. He is just so cute.
Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-10-2014, 08:07 PM

one of the -rare- side effects of cushing's is facialis parese.
my border collie flynn was suffering from it.
as a result from this he sometimes bit his tongue and lip.
and drooling at one side was one of the symptoms.
he had a week of moderin after it started, but it did not help.
there was nothing to do about it.
it looks like this could be the case with your eli.

Thank you, Patti, Sharlene and Iris! I read some about your Flynn, Iris, he was beautiful! <sigh> This is such a dreaded, awful thing, Cushing's! :( I'll have to read some more about this facialis parese. It started about the same time he got sick...that's why I'm thinking too, it's all related myself. ...

Eli is still doing good. He's peeing more often now...or I'm not quite sure if he's "playing me" to get out in this nice weather for a frequent walk and treat after we come in. He's good for that too. :D

I was so, so sorry to read about Leslie's beloved Squirt. I'm sorry I've been offline doing doctor things for myself and was just too pooped out to check in. I feel so bad. :( I know that feeling all to well....as I'm sure you all do too.

flynnandian

05-10-2014, 11:27 PM

goldengirl88

05-11-2014, 08:57 AM

jxeno13

05-11-2014, 12:58 PM

i think that this is the case with eli too.
i hardly hear about this on the forum, but it is mentioned in the dechra list of rare side effects.
it didn't get worse so i hope this is the case with eli too.

Thank you so much, Iris! Do you have a link for that? I do believe you and it makes perfect sense! I want to print it out. I've been trying to find that information this morning, but couldn't. Actually with Eli it's gotten better. The first day I took him to the Vet just before he got really sick...we were siting downstairs talking about how great he was doing......when all of a sudden.....this big drool....came down out of the left side of his mouth. (Eli has never been a drooler) ....After that..I had to run after him with a wet rag washing his little face to keep the drool off. ...

Saturday morning, I ran him right to the Vet..but the Vet thought maybe it was a bad tooth causing him to drool..he checked for that....it wasn't that...and gave him some anti-biotics thinking he had an infection of some sort. Eli at that time wasn't vomiting yet. He said to call him on Monday.....to let him know how he was. ....I think on Saturday night during the night is when he started the vomiting.....and on Sunday all day. I took him back to the Vet on Monday.but my regular Vet wasn't in...and I got someone else. He told me to continue giving Eli the Vetoryl (BIG MISTAKE)...and gave me some stomach medicine to give Eli. Tuesday....back to the Vet again, but my Vet told me not to give Eli anymore Vetoryl (so he had 3 more Vetoryl AFTER he got sick).....the rest is history. By Wednesday Eli was hospitalized for 2 days 2 nights...not eating, but not vomiting (but, he hadn't eaten for a week by then)......Sorry for the ramble. ...I needed to refresh my memory as well here. ...

The drooling has continued though .....but is slowly going away it seems...his mouth was also doing a type of quiver on his bottom jaw (the jaw quiver has stopped now)..when he shakes his head..(it seems more often then usual now)..his jaws sound like they are flapping. I don't remember any of that behavior before. He was acting, at the time, almost like he had had a stroke.

He still drools some. But, only the tiniest bit. Perhaps...still effects of Vetoryl wearing off?? :confused:

Happy Mother's Day everyone!! :D

jxeno13

05-11-2014, 01:27 PM

JoAnn:
The reason I know about this is because it can also paralyze their pharyngeal nerve which is really bad, so Eli was lucky. I am hoping that Eli makes a full recovery from all this. I guess from what you said he is starting to show some Cushing's signs again? I am so glad he is eating his dog food that is huge progress from where he was. He is just adorable. I cannot resist a terrier face. Happy Mother's Day .Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! Thank you! He is adorable and putty in everyone's hands that come around him. I think he knows it too! :D:D Paralyze their pharyngeal nerve? I can't find much read on it though. I'm still reading. <sigh> I wanted to tell his Vet about that. The IMS thought it was a nerve on the back of his tongue.....but I thought it odd.....since it started the day before he started getting sick. Perhaps, if I had seen the Neurologist he would have caught that, but maybe not. But, saved $90 to find out what you all already knew. It seems it would be easier to just have surgery for the tumor and get rid of the Cushing's. I wish it was that easy. It's ALWAYS easier said than done!! <sigh> :( :(

Yes, I think he's starting show the Cushing's signs again. :( Back to the pot belly look, drinking a little more water, (still not the 64+ozs though), going out a little more, but not dripping, ravenous eating, tremors (quivering) He can't jump on the couch anymore, and is back to heavy panting again, except when he's laying on the wood floor.,...even his hair doesn't look right again. Of course, he does need a bath again after all he's been through....and the groomer didn't cut his ears short enough, so he's starting to looking like a disfigured cocker spaniel. lol Of course, a lot of the drinking, eating and peeing, could be due to the Predisone he's still taking.

Really.....I do have a weakness for those terrier faces as well. My Betsy was also a rescue, a purebred, Cairn....she lived to be 13 and died from a liver disease. My love before Betsy, was Dogg, another Terrier...left me at 16...I had to have him put down, poor fella. I still feel guilty about that! :( He had congestive heart failure, blind, and had a bad hip.....so when he ran into something, he fell over. :( It just broke my heart. ......Another was a Maltese......and a white lab. I've always had a dog of some sort. But, Eli is my last. I'm getting too old and have too many health problems myself to be able to care for another baby. And, I won't leave a baby without a Mama. That just wouldn't be right. Life will be sad though..without a baby of some sort. <sigh> I'll just have to deal with it.

Happy Mother's Day to you all!! My daughter took me out to breakfast this morning. Yum! :D

jxeno13

05-11-2014, 02:26 PM

I did find this about facial paralysis...

"but facial paralysis can be a rare side effect of Cushing's."

"Here is part of an article about Cushing's from vetifno.com:

Unusual complications sometimes occur with Cushing’s disease in dogs, as well. A small number of dogs develop severe muscular weakness (myotonia) that usually affect the rear legs predominantly. This can lead to a stiff gait or to collapse of the rear limbs in some dogs. Facial paralysis seems to be due to Cushing’s disease in a small number of dogs. Just like cats, a few dogs with diabetes will be very hard to regulate on insulin unless concurrent Cushing’s disease is controlled."

http://www.vetinfo.com/ccushings.html

I'm still looking for the rare side effects of Vetoryl.

jxeno13

05-11-2014, 02:39 PM

Interesting -

"Until recently surgery was not considered to be an option for pituitary dependent Cushing’s disease in dogs and cats because the surgery was considered to be too risky or too expensive for veterinary medicine. Dr Meij at the Utrecht University in the Netherlands developed a technique for successfully removing pituitary gland tumors which is referred to as hypophysectomy. This surgery has survival rates comparable to medical treatment now and other institutions are starting to offer it as an alternative to medical treatment. I believe that most endocrinologists would agree that hypophysectomy is the preferred treatment for PDH when the pet owner can afford to pursue surgery and locating a surgical facility is not too difficult."

http://www.vetinfo.com/ccushings.html

Harley PoMMom

05-11-2014, 04:34 PM

One of our members, Gina and her girl Lucy Goo were the first to have neurosurgery done to remove a pituitary tumor. Dr. Tina Owen, along with Dr. David Bruyette, performed this surgery on Lucy Goo.

Here's a link to that article: New Treatment for Pituitary-Dependent Cushing’s Disease ( http://www.dogaware.com/articles/newscushingssurgery.html)

lulusmom

05-11-2014, 06:06 PM

The transphenoidal hypophysectomy is the first choice of treatment at the University of Utrecht for PDH dogs, but only if the pituitary tumor is nonenlarged or moderately enlarged. The results aren't that great for dogs with very large tumors so The University of Utrecht usually won't do surgery on those dogs. We've had at least one member who was turned away because their dog's tumor was too large. Here is an excerpt from Dr. Sara Galac's paper on the subject:

A recent study of the 10-year follow-up results in 150 dogs with PDH confirmed that it is effective, especially in the long term, with remission for up to seven years (Hanson et al. 2005). However, the survival and disease-free periods decrease and the incidence of central diabetes insipidus increases with increasing pituitary size. Hence, transsphenoidal hypophysectomy can be expected to have the best outcome as the primary treatment in dogs with nonenlarged or only moderately enlarged pituitaries.

As I recall, the clinical trials Lucy Goo was part of was limited to dogs with very large tumors. Most surgeries were performed by human surgeons, not veterinary surgeons, and the tumors were retained for tissue analysis for human research. Dr. Bruyette and Dr. Owens have lectured on this subject at a few conferences that I found online but there hasn't been much information published on this subject in the last couple of years. Dr. Edward Feldman, a professor at UC Davis and a world renown endocrine specialist, lectures that while The University of Utrecht does this surgery routinely, we don't see it here in the states because surgeons aren't that interested in learning how to do it. The lecture I listened to is more than five years old so perhaps things are happening but we aren't hearing about it.

I believe Dr. Bruyette is involved in a study of a possible new drug that shrinks tumors so my ears perked up when I read this bit of news. There was a study done in Argentina several years ago that showed the retinoic acid did an amazing job of shrinking pituitary tumors. At that point in time, nobody in the US would pursue any further research on retinoic acid as the cost to treat dog is astronomical. I'm hoping that perhaps they've found a new source of retinoic acid that is more cost effective and that it is this treatment that Dr. Bruyette is researching. Some of us have been here for many years and a lot of our dogs have passed but we never give hoping for a better approach to treating our precious pups. Maybe one day...........

Glynda

jxeno13

05-11-2014, 07:23 PM

Thanks Lori and Glynda!! Sounds pretty complicated to me! Makes me wish though, yet again, that I was living back in Northern Calif for a couple of months anyway with Eli....although, I could never afford his care there for sure! :eek:

How did Lucy Goo do after the surgery? It seems what the article said (which I didn't read the whole thing yet) the surgery could cause other problems.

"Dr. Bruyette is involved in a study of a possible new drug that shrinks tumors" <------THAT would be awesome!!

I wish I knew more...and I'm sure I will, before too awful long. I wish more research was being done with Cushing's...bring some kind of Cushing's information to light...there must be some new stuff going on surely. Maybe they just aren't that interested? I don't know..... maybe someday, like you said. We can only hope!! :)

molly muffin

05-11-2014, 11:35 PM

I hope you had a lovely mothers day :)

I wouldn't say that the cushing symptoms are back, until Eli is completely off prednisone for awhile and then see if the symptoms actually come back after that. Keeping in mind that it takes time for the symptoms to resolve after the prednisone, then Eli's adrenals will either be producing too much cortisol or they will remain steady.

So, don't worry yet about that.

Well, Dr. Bruyette as Glynda mentioned is working on a drug for macro tumors, which is still in trial phase, but we are all hopeful. University of Davis is also using a new type of radiation therapy, which doesn't require as many treatments to see results. That has had good results and one of our current members went through this treatment with good results. This is for macro tumors also.

Things just don't progress very quickly in medicine. Not as quickly as we need it to anyhow. :(

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

05-12-2014, 09:16 AM

jxeno13

05-12-2014, 10:05 AM

Hi Sharlene,

Yes, I had a nice Mother's Day, I hope you did too! Mine was quiet though....I did get to have breakfast with my daughter, which was nice. One son had to work, another lives out of town and was sick, and the youngest came by the day before. I guess it's hard to get then all together anymore like we used to.

I think I know what you mean about the Predisone and the Cushing's symptoms. It'll be awhile before that happens, full fledged Cushing's, I hope anyway. But, what I'm seeing now were the signs I saw of changes in Eli pre Cushing's diagnosis. I never know what to expect anymore after all that's already happened to Eli. :( I would hope the cortisol levels would stay steady.. <sigh> But, I do know we're not giving any Vetoryl for awhile yet and I know we're talking at least maybe a couple of months anyway....and surely not until he's back to full fledged Cush mode again after Predisone and all his levels are checked again. They need to be checked now.....and then again..before we know anything.

I wish there was a "fix" for this...but I sure haven't seen any. I guess I've been readin way too much lately. Sometimes, I can over research. :eek:

I know things just never seems to go very fast in medical research.....and when funds get cut, it seems it always in that area. :(

jxeno13

05-12-2014, 10:39 AM

JoAnn:
Hope today is a good day again for Eli and his progression keeps on going. We are in for storms again today so I have to be on the watch for Tipper and give her meds in time. I could not be happier for Eli that he bounced back from a real bad time. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! Eli's hanging in pretty well, thanks! I hope Tipper is doing the same. :) We're expecting thunder storms later this afternoon, but so far this morning it's pretty nice outside. Eli had me up at 6AM to go out. When he was well and slept with me...he slept until I woke up. Now, he sleeps next to me by the couch...and wakes me up walking around...which he never did before. :( Thanks! I thought I was going to lose him there for awhile. ...a told a friend of mine I was determined to squeeze at least another 3 yrs out of him......and she told me that "I'd better get used to the idea of losing him...and that I was in denial." She's a dog person, and I couldn't believe she said that to me! I haven't talked to her since. Some people, I guess. I told her.I have faith! :D I guess I should send her an email and tell her how good Eli is doing. :D

I hope Tipper makes it through the storms with her meds OK. She can do it! :D

molly muffin

05-12-2014, 02:42 PM

:) Research is key and we all do it constantly. How else do you know if things are on the right track or what your options are.

Mothers Day was good, same thing here, daughter for breakfast. Our other daughter and family live on the other side of the country, so we don't see them all the time.

We'll see where Eli ends up at and how long it takes for him to be doing the same things he was doing. It could be the vet could start thinking of doing reduced dosing of prednisone. At least discuss that option with the IMS and see if he can't be tapered lower or off completely at some point.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

jxeno13

05-12-2014, 09:05 PM

Hi Sharlene, You're right about the researching.. I do it constantly, not with just Cushing's, but other thing's as well. I'm a researcher at heart. I did all my college research online. I hated going to the library. lol Wiith Cushing's it gave me other subject....but would have rather had something not so complicated and not for my baby.....as I'm sure you all feel exactly the same way.

I'm glad to hear you had a nice day yesterday too! I loved eating breakfast out. It really wasn't as busy as it could have been, or I actually expected. :D All 4 of my kids live close...except for 1 granddaughter and she moved to Texas about a year or so ago. I miss her like crazy. She lived with me for awhile when she was in HS. I have 6 grandkids and 2.7 g-grandsons. :)

Yea, I thought about going by the Vet tomorrow to talk to him about the Predisone. He was also going to call the IMS. We had expected her to call him, but she didn't, so he was going to call her today. I didn't give him the papers from her until Friday, although, I did talk to him earlier in the week. I'm surprised they haven't offered me a job there yet!!...Or at least asked me to stay and do dishes or scoop poop. I'm there almost everyday anymore. lol :eek:

goldengirl88

05-14-2014, 10:02 AM

jxeno13

05-14-2014, 11:23 AM

Hi JoAnn:
Hope all is well with Eli. I research my brains out too. When Tipper is sleeping I take my tablet in bed and do all of it. It takes a lot of time to do things like that. Hope Eli is still eating great, what a change huh? I hope tomorrow these storms are gone as they are making Tipper's cortisol go up and she is panting. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! Glad you made your trip back OK. I know those long trips get old fast. I go to Nashville every three months to one doctor and every 6 months to my other. I try to co-ordinate them together, but that's sometimes hard. I do go to a pain clinic closer though...and go there every month for other problems. Always something. :rolleyes:

The only thing that seems to drive Eli to the bathroom and hide is, believe it or not, is my bagging up the garbage. Go figure! Maybe, he was thrown out with the garbage when he was a puppy or something? The sound of it crushing actually is the only real thing that scares him while he's in the house. Storms don't even phase him. :confused: ...He woke me up at 5:30 this morning to take him out, and it was thundering and lightening then....and I took the short route....so he'd go quick, and thinking right back in...(also knowing he didn't like getting rained on)....and he went right out in it...and on the way back in...he stopped to drink the rain water!! :eek::eek: I had to pull on his leash to get him back in before the next round of thunder and lightening! :eek: Shocked even me!!

Yes, I've been reading, reading, and reading. Although, I didn't like some of it......when I did read a dog with pituitary dependent Cushing's probably only had a life span of 24-30 months. :( I saw that in 2 different places. :( That's what I meant by "sometimes I read too much." :(

Have you seen this clip for Tipper by Cesar Millan about meds and the Thunder Shirt? Have you ever tried one of those? He tells about when to dose a dog on meds as well in this video. Anyway..it was interesting.

http://www.cesarsway.com/dogtraining/thebasics/Do-Thundershirts-Work-for-Dogs

I thought about a Thunder Shirt for Eli for his tremors..although, I know it's a Cushing's thing....and not a fear thing.

I hope you and Tipper have a good day today and you can get rid of that pain soon. I know it's no fun. It's storming here today too! :( Eli is still doing well......eating well. We even went to the gazebo yesterday to visit some neighbors. He hears their voices talking and heads straight for there. He likes to swing in the swing they have in there. :D:D:D

Take care! Blessings to you too!
Jo Ann

goldengirl88

05-14-2014, 01:28 PM

JoAnn:
I know I read that about the pituitary tumors also, and try to keep it out of my mind because my Tipper has both. This is so scary to me that something could happen to my girl that it is hard to keep off my mind. I am so glad Eli is coming around. Thank the stars he is not afraid of thunder!! Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-14-2014, 01:51 PM

Tipper has both? Ugh! I know that is hard to keep out of our minds once we've read it!! :( I hate reading that kind of stuff ......especially when you've read in so many other places that they can live their normal life spans with the proper dosages. Of course, I realize he's not to live to be 20 or 30, but even my poor old, Dogg was 16 when when he crossed the bridge (I had to have him put to sleep) with congestive heart failure, allergies, blindness....and his hip out of place. :(:(

Good luck with poor llittle Tipper and the storms today. It's still storming here. We had some sunshine (for a few minutes) and they said that combination makes the weather unstable, and will only bring on more severe storms this afternoon and tonight. :eek:

BTW - I'm lowering Eli's Predisone to 5mg a day, since he's doing OK and seems stable. I talked to his Vet again today. So, we'll see how he does on the 5mg.

Our best to you and blessings too!
Jo Ann and Eli :D

flynnandian

05-14-2014, 10:41 PM

jxeno13

05-15-2014, 11:11 AM

i am glad that eli is doing better after his ordeal.
just enjoy the company of eli today, every site says something different about their expected life span, but my cush-dog is 13 and walked 5 miles today!
he was not even panting!
he crashed about 6 months ago, so keep your hopes up for eli!
if he likes to walk, you can try to get him back in shape this way.
it works for tipper and my ian!

Hi Iris! Thank you!! That is encouraging! I'll try and keep those web sites and thoughts at bay.....and keep my hopes up for Eli too!! We have a walking trail where I live so we can take little walks now...and as I said before he loves visiting! As for 5 miles...even I couldn't make that trip myself without panting....I'd have to call for an emergency respirator for me! :eek: :D Seriously!

I'm so glad your Ian is doing so well now after his crash. Did they put him then on a lower dose? I'm hoping for the same with Eli. He was doing so well at first....and back to his old self....right when he crashed. I was so surprised when that happened.....I guess it all just happened to fast. 10 days until he got sick...then those last 3 pills! :( I'll sure know better next time!! :mad: :(

Jo Ann and Eli

goldengirl88

05-15-2014, 12:20 PM

Hi JoAnn:
We are still dealing with the storms here, and Tipper has had such a bad time with all of this I can't wait until it goes away. This has made it very stressful for us both, and neither of us being well. I hope Eli is up to visiting with his fans and that things stay on the upswing for him. He has sure had a time of it. Blessings
Patti

flynnandian

05-15-2014, 10:45 PM

my ian did not crash from too much vetoryl, but he crashed [suddenly during a walk] and i went to the vet and he did some tests to determine if he had cushing's and he had.
i already had an other dog with cushing's, but i thought ian was getting old. he does [and did] not have a lot of symptoms.
he was pretty weak by then so he only got 10 mg of vetoryl.
it worked almost immediately, and luckily does since.
after a few weeks he was still drinking a lot and since he was doing much better the dosage was increased to 20 mg.
a few months later to 30 mg. he is still doing fine on this dosage.
i know this is not the right way to do it, but i do not have the money to test him [and vet visits are very, very stressful for him], so i watch him closely and luckily he is doing very well.
maybe you can make a training scedule for the both of you, so you can walk a few minutes more every day.
eli is still a youngster at age 10, so you will have at least 5 more years to train him to run a marathon ha, ha!
ian and tipper will join him..........

goldengirl88

05-16-2014, 09:22 AM

JoAnn:
Hope you are both well and that Eli continues to improve every day. It stopped raining finally, but is very dark and dreary out. Is Eli still eating well? Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-16-2014, 02:28 PM

Hi Iris and Patti!! Finally, I'm back online today! If you might remember I was having a problem with my monitor going black? Well, it started again yesterday..and kept it up about every 30 seconds or so! :mad: What a pain that was!! I had to keep turning it off and on to see anything. I called my tech and it wasn't my video card...but probably the monitor was shot. So much for Dell! :mad: The video card would have been worse! So, I called my darling brother..who (to me) knows a little about almost everything....and he advised me on and bought me on a new monitor this morning. I just got it connected. I LOVE my big brother!! :D:D:D

Eli and I are doing OK..sort of. Now, he has diarrhea today. He had been doing so good too. :( I have him on 5mg of Predisone, instead of 10 and he's still eating good...and doing OK otherwise. I was thinking maybe it could have been something in the order of a treat maybe that I gave him. <sigh>

I'm much like you, Iris. I understand not having the cost of testing all the time. I still have to take Eli and should have a week or two ago already. I'm hoping I can do it next week, at least to see where he is now. I've been watching him close, as I always do anyway...and I know it's important. <sigh> But, sometimes, it's not always a possibility right then. :( :(

I'm glad Ian is doing well now. I hope to Eli bounce back like he did before. He was doing so good at first. He was right back to his old self again. ....Now, no so. :( I feel so bad for him. And, like Ian, he gets so stressed over those tests. He gets stressed getting a haircut anymore.

You're right....next week, if this rain ever quits...we can (at least start) go for short walks. I'm still not so sure about a 5 miler...I'll leave that for you, Eli, Ian and Tipper and Patti.......I'll keep time and have sandwiches and ready at the finish line!! :D:D:D Hahaha!

I hope Ian continues to do well! How's the weather where you are, Iris??

jxeno13

05-16-2014, 02:39 PM

JoAnn:
Hope you are both well and that Eli continues to improve every day. It stopped raining finally, but is very dark and dreary out. Is Eli still eating well? Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! We're hanging in! I've been back and forth to the store hunting monitors yesterday and again this morning. In this small town there's not much to choose from. Makes me sick! :mad: But, I finally got one this morning. :D

Eli seems to be stabling out. He's not getting worse...but staying about the same. He's not his old self...but he's here. He's eating, drinking...still visiting, but lacking his get up and go like his old feisty self. Today he has diarrhea, but I'm thinking maybe it was something I gave him in the way of a treat or something. <sigh>

Me? I'm no worse for the wear. Thanks for asking. I worry so much about Eli....and wish I was rich.....I'd get him the surgery and not worry about this Cushing's thing at all!! About 15 or 20K should do it! I'm playing the lottery these days. May as well! :p

I hope you and Tipper are doing better today. Has the weather cleared up any? It's still raining here....but no storms.

Jo Ann and Eli

molly muffin

05-16-2014, 04:37 PM

jxeno13

05-16-2014, 04:45 PM

Hey JoAnn, glad you found yourself a monitor. Big brothers can be handy can't they. :)

Oh Eli, well we hope he gets back to where he was too. Do you have any probiotic to give him? I just finished giving my molly some every day for a week, for the same reason. Hers is food/gastro related it seems. Not sure, but Eli's might be the same thing, did he have anything different to eat that might have triggered it?

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Hi Sharlene! Oh yea! Big brother's are the best!! :D:D

Probiotic? Like what did you give Molly?? <sigh> Might have been some biscuits and gravy he ate?? :rolleyes: :o
I'm guessing his is probably something he ate as well. :(

molly muffin

05-16-2014, 05:16 PM

I give molly florifora and get it on amazon.

Yea, gravy could definitely cause the runs.

hugs
sharlene and molly muffin

jxeno13

05-16-2014, 05:57 PM

Hi Sharlene, I called the Vet and they have Probiotics there. I'll pick some up tomorrow. In the mean time, I have some Greek yogurt that I just gave Eli, one of his favorite treats. :D In a bit, I'll cook him some rice.

He's just never been sick before. I've been so lucky over the last 8.5 years!

I'll tell you (as I'm sure you already know) taking care of a sick dog, is a full time job! If I'm not washing his face, I'm washing his butt....getting us meds, cooking for him...cleaning for him, getting up in the middle of the night running him outside, mopping up after him (today was poop...he had an accident in the hall). Poor guy. :o All things he never had a problem with before he got sick. He's MY full time master now. Yikes! :eek: And..we all know...I'd do it again and again for him! :D:D

jxeno13

05-16-2014, 05:59 PM

I give molly florifora and get it on amazon.

Yea, gravy could definitely cause the runs.

hugs
sharlene and molly muffin

I knew that sweet face of his would get me into trouble!! :eek: :rolleyes::(

flynnandian

05-16-2014, 09:29 PM

i hope eli is getting better soon.
he was doing so well lately.
maybe someone gave him something wrong on one of your visits?
the weather was fine today, but we are getting tropical temp. next week with very sticky nights and -because of that- thunderstorms.
not at all my type of weather, and certainly not ok for a cush-dog!
hope you win the lottery! how much can you win?
we do need a fund for cushing research [and for poor owners!]

goldengirl88

05-17-2014, 08:54 AM

Jo Ann:
So sorry Eli has the diarrhea. I truly hope it is just from a treat and it passes quickly. Is he still alert and eating ok? Your brother is a dear going and getting you that monitor. I too wish there was a fund for Cushings that helped people care for their babies. You should not have to make a choice between care for your dog or something else that is badly needed. That should have a place that does free care funded by these big corporations. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-17-2014, 09:33 AM

Good Morning! I've already been out for a poop run. Not very bright news to wake up to. :( I'll go to the Vet and get real Probiotics when they at 7:30. Ugh. More $$$ I wouldn't mind a bit if I had had it. I also forgot to pickup my own meds.....I guess I need to do that as well! :rolleyes:

Yes, my brother is a love. He must be getting sentimental in his old age. But, he's helped me a lot with my computer woes, and dental fund. I didn't tell him, of course, I kind of "borrowed" some of my dental money for Eli's Vet's bills. Now, I have to replace that. :( Only I have a little longer to replace that money. Actually, he doesn't live close to me, and right now he's in Houston visiting my nephew. I thought he was home when I called him. He just mails me a check or orders whatever online and has it mailed to me. I don't ask him for anything, I ask his advice, and he just offers to buy it for me. I'm so lucky to have him. :D Even when I was a kid I wanted to marry someone just like him! I wasn't so lucky. :mad:

Iris....that lottery money is in the MILLIONS.......but winning it...in almost next to nill....but, someone has to! LOL Why not one of us?! HaHaHa!!

Yes!! There does need to be a Cush fund for people who need it!! I have already thought that myself too!! Maybe, up the road one of us could start one?? Why not?? People do all the time for other types of dogs.....why not our Cush dogs?? A 401(3)....sure.it CAN be done!! :D

The sun is not shinning here at all. It still cool again. I'm pretty tired of the cold myself. We had such a COLD winter this year...and extreme cold isn't good for our babies either, as it has been here. I live in Kentucky now. And, it's not been as cold as the northeast, but it's been pretty cold down to a minus 2 degrees. So, I'm ready for some warm weather! I'm sure Patti, you are too.....up in the PA area!!

Patti, I hope you and Tipper get some sunshine today!

Hugs for today!!
Jo Ann and Eli

goldengirl88

05-17-2014, 10:45 AM

jxeno13

05-17-2014, 01:03 PM

That is so wonderful to have a brother to help out. I love Kentucky it is one of the most beautiful states, with mountains and streams that are just majestic. I hope Eli get on off the poop wagon, poor Molly was on it about a week ago. It can really get you going when they have the runs. Blessings
Patti

My brother has been so wonderful to me of late. He must be remembering the old days when he used to ditch me all the time. LOL I guess little sisters can be a pain in the butt. :p

KY is OK. It's not really my favorite place to live, nor would it be my choice of places to live, if I had one. We are actually from Chicago, where we were born and raised. Then lived mostly in northern California...by way of Mississippi. LOL I've also lived in TN. I really like TN as well. I also really miss Cali though. Chicago, I miss the food mostly. My ex was from KY...and the kids moved back here one by one to get jobs...back in the day....to drive truck. Two of them drive truck. Then the others followed...including me when my Mother passed away. My brother lives in Ala. It just seems closer to everything living here in the midwest. I finally went back to college and graduated from WKU, did go back to Cali, until I needed surgery and chose to have it done at Vanderbilt where my doctors were. Finally, I had to stop moving back and forth and settle down somewhere....this is where my kids followed each other to........so, here I am. My life story practically in a paragraph. LOL :eek:

Eli is still "running". :( Although, I did go to the Vet and got him some probiotics this morning. Nutramax Proviable-KP Kit Dog & Cat Supplement. The Vet didn't charge me. Thank goodness! :D I also made an appointment for Thursday morning to have an ACTH Stim done. I asked the price on it..and it's $52.00 compared to the specialist price in Louisville of $340.00 ...some difference, huh??? WOW!! I asked why not the LDDS, and he said b/c the specialist specified the ACTH Stim....but hey....it's also about $26 cheaper than than the LDDS.

I also made an appointment at the groomer for a bath and trim for Eli on Wednesday morn...boy, he sure does need it!! YIKES!! :eek:

How are you and Tipper feeling today??

molly muffin

05-17-2014, 01:18 PM

Really! You're ACTH is $52.00 and an LDDS is only $26.00 more? WOW. Most of us pay in the hundreds every single test, so that is really fabulous! Keep that vet available, on stand by any time you need a test, go to him. Better pricing all around.

The IMS is right, you need an ACTH test to check when they are on cushing meds and also any time checking cortisol levels when crashing. The LDDS is only used for diagnosing cushings.

I love any place usually near an an ocean. I just love the food, environment of seashore, etc. Sound! I love the sound of the tides and waves and even storms.

Now I have a great lake, so I'll take that, for now. :)

Some day Nice, France, eh Addy. ;)

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

05-17-2014, 01:40 PM

JoANN:
You are one lucky girl- 52.00 is unheard of for an ACTH!!! Wow I pay 175.00 and Tipper has had like 14 now I think! You really have moved around. I guess you will remain now in Kentucky? Tipper is having a lazy calm day. She deserves it after the week of thunder. I just wonder what started Eli with the diarrhea?? Hope the probiotics work. I give Tipper Greek yogurt for a treat too. Sometimes I put some in her Kong and freeze it. It keeps her busy for a while trying to get it out of that toy. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

05-17-2014, 01:43 PM

Oh I was going to say, keep to something with a lower fat content during this "runs" episode. chicken/rice (mushy) is good. I moved molly to a weight management, good dog food in the evening, which it turns out she loves. Poops have been fine since then. I've cut the probiotic for now and she is still doing well, so hoping this episode is over.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

jxeno13

05-17-2014, 05:32 PM

Yes, I have to stay in KY and probably have to die here myself for that matter. Vanderbilt is close enough for me to run to when I have to for my own medical. Plus, although, one of my sons has flown the coop here..and probably will be also moving to lower Ala......for a new job he took recently and saw fit to leave his old Mom behind. LOL (I can't really move that far from Vandy actually) My daughter and another son is still here and most grandkids.

I do miss the ocean and seals. Northern Calif is so beautiful by the ocean. <sigh> I do miss that for sure! The veggies and fruit..and even the meat is different there. Not to mention pizza and other great stuff. Ah...and Chicago......the food! I'm making myself sick here! :(

Eli probably got the runs...(per me)..giving in to his begging for biscuits and gravy. This time I think it's ALL my fault! Giving in to those big brown eyes and sad face of his. I'm not falling for it anymore though! :rolleyes: :o

Yes, at least the testing is cheap here. After they told me $52...I thought...wow......they wanted $334. in Louisville for the same test!! ...I realize the tests are so much more expensive in the cities.....so I am at least grateful I can get those cheaper here. No wonder people can't afford all the Vet's care at times.....and have to make those awful decisions! :( If I lived in the city....I sure couldn't afford it either.I can barely afford what I have going now. I still owe though a $360. Vet bill while he was in the hospital. :eek: And, they don't take credit from from everyone...so I do feel blessed there as well!

Sharlene, thanks for the explanation of the LDDS and the ACTH Stim...makes sense to me. I paid about $78 or a couple dollars less for that test. ...the LDDS. I'll try the rice and chicken again for tonight. Eli always loved that as well.

Patti, I can't imagine paying $174 for 14 tests so far. Yikes! I'd have to skip some myself and just be close watcher. Like Iris said..and I've been doing...we need to have a place for more research on Cushing's and somehow help people who just can't afford those kind of prices! The labs are charging high prices for tests that can really be done rather cheaply. The rest is all profit! :( :mad: My Vet's office send the tests to a lab to another town where there is a University..and the lab there does the testing. https://breathitt.murraystate.edu/

It's still a really cool, cloudy day today.....maybe tomorrow it'll brighten up! I do know, it's supposed to get warmer this coming week! YAY! :D

molly muffin

05-17-2014, 06:23 PM

That might be one reason that the price is more reasonable, as university labs are usually cheaper.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

mcdavis

05-17-2014, 06:27 PM

Oh poor little Eli - they just don't realise that they're begging for something which will make them ill, and they can be awfully persuasive.
Sometimes if Hamish had eaten something which made him ill I would fast him for 24 hours then give him a tiny amount of pumpkin with very plain food for a few days.
Wow - I'm moving to KY. They wanted around $300 - $400 for an ACTH test here and it's not exactly the big city (just a new vet with a nice shiny building) :eek:

molly muffin

05-17-2014, 07:06 PM

Got to pay for that new shiny building MC ;)
Maybe we should be looking for the vet with the shack and a heart of gold. :)

Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

05-18-2014, 08:58 AM

JoAnn:
Hope the probiotics help Eli and he is not having any more troubles. No rain here today and I am going to enjoy the day with my girl. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-18-2014, 12:00 PM

Hi MC, Patti, Sharlene! Good to see you MC! I haven't seen you for awhile. :) Your Hamish looks a lot like Eli except for his ears. My Betsy ears stood straight up. It looks like it's time to fast Eli too! Maybe, some mushy rice later. His stomach is still messed up! :( Good grief! All I can think of is the gravy he ate....although.he will grab things outside on occasion if I can't grab him quick enough..and ALWAYS gets sick from that. I do remember him grabbing something..I couldn't get to. He'll swallow it before I can grab, knowing I'll take it away from him whatever it is. UGH! :( :(

One of our other Vet's here did build a new big building and his prices did go up!! I used to go to him years ago..but I took my Betsy to them for a haircut one day.....and when I went to pick her up...the bill was like $117.00!! :eek::eek: I said; "WHAT? You're kidding right??"..They said "No"....they went to her records and decided she was ready for all her shots, etc.....and they went ahead and did all that while she was there. ....Luckily, I happened to have just gotten my check and had the money.....to "bail her out",....but I only took her there for hair cut!! She already had a rabies shot that also were "Kind" enough to add to the bill and regive her. I couldn't have been madder! That's only one reason I quit going to them! They've let dogs die b/c the people didn't have a checking account...or cash to pay them right there for their services. Mostly, I don't see their parking lot so full anymore. I'll bet they're still wondering why!! :rolleyes:

Yes, it's a good thing that I do live here for Eli's sake! I can drive the 40 miles to buy real things at real stores.....and 100 miles to real doctors. I have insurance for me. I wish now I had kept it on him. Too late for that now! My Vet, I realize has some to learn about Cushing's..but he's willing to learn and I can pay them in payments. I'm trying to learn as much as I can, so I can also educate him as well......and luckily the IMS is also working with him. So, he's definitely, a keeper!! :D

I hope you are all having a good weekend with your babies! Tipper, Molly, Henry, Ian and all the rest! The sun is FINALLY shinning here today!! I'mm ready for some nice weather for a change!! I'm expecting company today, a friend from TN. and she's staying for a couple of days. I'm excited! So, I know we'll have a nice visit! :D:D:cool::cool:

molly muffin

05-18-2014, 04:37 PM

A vet that is willing to learn With you and work as a team can be just as good. I think your vet will be fine, working with the IMS and with you. It's all about team work.

I wouldn't go back to a vet clinic that did unauthorized shots or anything else when I took my dog to them. No way at all. That is just wrong. New buildings don't count for much over all. In the grand scheme of things, it doesn't count at all.

Have a good visit with your friend. I'm sure you'll have a blast.

Just fast Eli for a bit, and then try the mushy chicken rice combo.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

labblab

05-18-2014, 07:01 PM

Hi JoAnn,

I hate to be a downer :o, but I have to believe the $52 quote for an ACTH stimulation does not represent the total charge.

If your vet is savvy enough to know how to perform multiple ACTH tests out of a single vial of the stimulating agent, then it is possible that the stimulating agent alone might be as inexpensive as $52 for a dog weighing 30 pounds (using 1/3 of a vial). But the charge for the stim agent could be much more than that. Plus, if the Murray State Vet Lab performs the analysis, they will add another $32.

https://breathitt.murraystate.edu/feeschedule/

Plus, your vet will most certainly charge an additional amount for performing the two blood draws and sending the tubes to Murray State. I don't want to dishearten you with this info, but I also don't want you to be caught unaware on Thursday. I'd encourage you to reconfirm that test pricing with your vet beforehand. If they are truly charging only $52 in total, I just don't see how that could possibly represent a full ACTH stimulation test as opposed to perhaps just a baseline cortisol alone, without a "post" draw using a stimulation agent.

Here's a reply posted last year on another member's thread that gives a more complete discussion of the typical charges (and also ways to save money) for an ACTH test.

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/showpost.php?p=69247&postcount=61

Marianne

jxeno13

05-18-2014, 11:12 PM

Yikes, Marianne! Thank you for the heads-up! I really hadn't looked any further than the receptionist's desk when he asked her to look it up on her computer. :eek:...But, whatever the price. It's still got to be done and better still than the $334 the IMS wanted in Louisville. :o ...Eli also has to get a CBC and a Bio-Chen panel done. So, I'm imagining it will probably run totaled approx...(he told me in another estimate) $150-200. for the 3 tests combined. <sigh> I guess I'll get the bad news come Thursday.

And, what your saying is the stim agent could also be an extra charge?? :( I do know he is treating at least one other Cushdog at his office, but I don't know what kind of dog it is. One of the girls that works there has a dog with Cushing's....but her dog has been doing very well on the Vetoryl. I think she said since Jan. I'm not sure about any others.

I paid total $73.00 for his LDDS on 3/21/14. It was the 8hr test. It was $53.00 for the test..and $20 Lab fee. (Also sent to Breathitt at Murray State.) The CBC and Bio-Chem they can do at the office.

Note: However, the Lab cost showing on the link for an LDDS panel is $47.50.

Jo Ann and Eli

molly muffin

05-19-2014, 01:17 AM

I have to say being charged $73.00 for an LDDS is pretty darn good too. That is also in the hundreds for me.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

05-19-2014, 08:41 AM

JoAnn:
I am hoping for your sake the fees are correct, but what Marianne said made a lot of sense to me. Hope Eli is rid of the runs and feeling like himself. Tipper just walked and it seems like it will be nice today. There was some frost on the ground though. Enjoy your day with Eli. Blessings
Patti

labblab

05-19-2014, 08:43 AM

Jo Ann, you really may want to investigate the breakdown of charges for the various tests -- especially the ACTH -- before Thursday. I say this because the cost of the stimulating agent could vary a great deal for you depending upon which agent is being used and how it is handled. Per that earlier link I gave you, if Cortrosyn is the stim agent, the cost for the agent alone for dog of Eli's weight could vary between $40-120+ depending on whether the vet uses a whole vial or gets multiple uses out of the vial. If your vet is unaware of the protocol for multiple testing, you could even bring it to his attention before Thursday so as to lessen the cost to you.

If you take a look at our poll of members' ACTH costs in the U.S., you will see that you are one of only two members out of 93 who reported paying less than $100 for a stim test. The other member is no longer active and did not give any specifics about her cost breakdown. But a total cost of $52 is so far outside the norm that I remain baffled by it. :confused:

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=8

Marianne

jxeno13

05-19-2014, 10:17 AM

Bottom line. With all due respect... The test still has to be done, whatever the cost. I'm sure now there will probably also be a lab fee added to that price...I don't know if the Cortrosyn injection fee will be added to that amount or not, (perhaps it will) although the girl didn't mention that at all. ....I know though there is a VERY large mark up in drugs for dogs, as well as humans. The Vets get the drugs they sell at a VERY low wholesale price.....the markup is always astronomical from my experience. I live in smalltown KY...that could very well be the difference in the pricing.

I did see the other person's poll answer yesterday when I also answered that poll question. That person lived in TN..which could have also lived in a very small town. People in the small towns just don't pay the same prices that pay in larger places. The people in small towns and in states like KY.....plainly just don't have that kind of money.....and some vendors know it and some, not all, compensate for it.

That's the only reason I can think of for it being cheaper than say in Louisville or Lexington, larger cities in KY. I can't speak for other states. When I told the Vet's office here what they were charging at the IMS' office in Louisville, they said "wow"....at $340.

The Vet also gave me an estimate of $150-$200. total for all 3 tests. So, I'll see on Thursday..I guess. I'm just hoping this isn't my face when I get the bill. ----->:eek:

My sweet Ginger

05-19-2014, 10:58 AM

Lol. I hope your face will look like this. :D:D:D:D:D

labblab

05-19-2014, 11:19 AM

Lol. I hope your face will look like this. :D:D:D:D:D

Ditto! ;)

Jo Ann, I totally understand that you need to have the test run, regardless. So I apologize if I made it sound as though you should postpone the test. I am just hoping to proactively save you some money on the cost of the stim agent under the circumstances I talked about in my previous reply. But that's entirely your choice if you just want to wait and see what the total price turns out to be this time around. Who knows, maybe your vet is already only going to charge you a pro rata share of the stim agent plus the lab's analysis charge, and performing the blood draws themselves for free. We'll be anxious to hear, that's for sure!

Marianne

jxeno13

05-19-2014, 12:26 PM

Lol. I hope your face will look like this. :D:D:D:D:D

Me and you all both!! :D

goldengirl88

05-19-2014, 12:32 PM

jxeno13

05-19-2014, 12:47 PM

Ditto! ;)

Jo Ann, I totally understand that you need to have the test run, regardless. So I apologize if I made it sound as though you should postpone the test. I am just hoping to proactively save you some money on the cost of the stim agent under the circumstances I talked about in my previous reply. But that's entirely your choice if you just want to wait and see what the total price turns out to be this time around. Who knows, maybe your vet is already only going to charge you a pro rata share of the stim agent plus the lab's analysis charge, and performing the blood draws themselves for free. We'll be anxious to hear, that's for sure!

Marianne

I totally understand, Marianne. And, I do appreciate your bringing that to my attention. There's no need to apologize at all for trying to save me some money, if that is the case, I wouldn't have known otherwise. Perhaps, he is sharing that vial with the other Cush dog there...(I doubt she pays anything but cost (if that), since she works there) I would LOVE those kind of perks!! I know squat about those tests, as of this date, but I'm learning via my empty pocketbook! :o :( I might add that there many things this Vet hasn't charged me for lately...for example the Probiotics that I picked up on Saturday. I've already spent over a $1000. since Feb. probably or pretty darn close to it. Not counting the $400. it cost at the IMS a couple of weeks ago and still owe over $350. :( :o :eek:

I just got back from the Vet's again this morning with Eli, and got anitbiotics and a buffer for his stomach. (he still has the runs this morning) and they charged me $10.00 . Now, he's on the 5mg still of Predisone (per the IMS) until the day before his ACTH Stim, and ....and Amoxicillin 250mg 1 cap 2X daily for 7 days...and a buffer for his stomach (I can't read his writing (Sucralfate tab) 1 tab 2X daily for 4 days. I asked him about eating and he said it was OK to let him eat ( I hated fasting him when he eats so ravenously) ....and I made some mushy rice and some chicken breast.

I told them there that I think they should at least put my name on the door by now. :D:D:D

jxeno13

05-19-2014, 01:01 PM

JoAnn:
My vet is the exception to the rule where charges go. This is a small Amish town.His charges are so high I cannot believe the people in this area can afford him as many of them are out of work. Every time he gets a drug her over doubles the price of it to sell to you. When I lived in Pittsburgh the vets never charged what he does, they were reasonable. Good for you that you do not live here, I probably put one of his daughters thru college and I am not kidding. Yes I agree Eli needs the test regardless, I just hope the price stays low as know you are trying to keep up with his bills. Blessings
Patti

There's another Vet Clinic right up from mine with a new building.....charges at least twice the amount. I'm going to have my girlfriend call there and ask what they charge, in case they recognize my voice. I wrote on here about him, I think it was yesterday or the day before. ...My daughter took her dog to his one day choking on something. (they knew us for years) and he wouldn't treat the little dog b/c she didn't have any cash on her or a checking account at the time. We stopped seeing him. They also tried over charging me with my Betsy's groom....so we never went back again. His 2 daughters work there as Vets also......have to pay for that Vet College at Auburn University somehow. His other daughter works there as well. His wife does the books! :rolleyes:

I'm not sure where our Amish go. Funny, I never thought about that one!! I don't know if they have an Amish Vet here or not. I've never heard of one. :confused:

jxeno13

05-19-2014, 01:09 PM

Ugh! Back to cleaning the frig! My girlfriend didn't make it yesterday, but called that she'll be leaving her sister's house on her way here at 12:00....and it takes 2.5 hrs...to get here from her sister's house. I wish her darling, handsome husband had a brother!! But, alas....he doesn't!! :(:(:(:(

lulusmom

05-19-2014, 02:55 PM

jxeno13

05-23-2014, 10:42 AM

Hi! Sorry so long. My girlfriend is still here visiting, but will be leaving today. :(:(:( I want to keep her, but her husband has other plans for her. Can you believe it!? LOL :D We've cleaned and cleaned and cleaned...actually going through all my junk. And, got rid of TONS of junk and papers!! :D:D:D I've come to the conclusion that I'm a neat hoarder!! :(:(:(:(

Anyway, Eli is doing great...he's been to the groomer and looks fabulous! :D I had her cut his cocker spaniel ears back down like in his avatar...and face all short...so they aren't always getting in his water and food.....and now they almost stand straight out (not quite up) like Tipper's.....only now he looks like a Wookie! :rolleyes::eek::D:D LOL He looks so cute!! He's a bad a kid with company now, so I did have to put a belly band on him for a couple of days, because he wouldn't tell me when he had to go out...and started dibbling all down the hall and in the elevator. Ugh! Also, I think some of that could have been too much salt in the chicken....I did buy roteserie and canned chicken (the culprit)! He loves my girlfriend so much that at one point he only wanted her to take him out. :rolleyes: He's so spoiled! ....He'd go quick for me......rush back in and then have to go again with her......and then dribble down the hall. ....

Today, he went to the Vet (where he is now) for his ACTH Stim....yesterday the Vet called me not to bring him in because while he was setting up for Eli......the agent that they use had expired and he had to order a new bottle. So, then they called later to bring him in today. I'll pick him up at lunch. I'll assume that here in KY that might be about noon. :D:D I forgot to ask about the cost though. :( But, trust me when I get back.....they'll be sure and hand me a bill. They never forget that.....well not usually. :D:o So, you just may see this face next!! :eek: ......Maybe not.....:D:D:D

I missed you all! I hope you are all doing well..and your babies, Tipper, Ian, Molly and the other babies are doing well!! I haven't had a chance to read the board yet.......but will when my friend leaves. I'll also post that bill for today. That's a promise! :cool::cool::cool:

jxeno13

05-23-2014, 10:46 AM

FYI, the Amish are some of the worst puppy millers in the U.S. Dogs are not family members but rather a living and I doubt they take their dogs to the vet. They simply throw them in the trash when they find dead ones. Many humane organization have gone in and taken these animals and you just want to cry looking at them. Some aren't even recognizable. You can't tell it's a dog much less what breed. Conditions are beyond deplorable and dogs spend their entire life in cages being bred over and over and over again. These dogs have to learn how to walk on solid ground. Some of them can't because their nails have grown into their pads and/or their feet and legs are terribly deformed from walking on chicken wire their entire life. I will not spend one penny on anything that is made by the Amish.

Oh yea..I've heard about the Amish doing that in PA! I think I saw a thing on TV about that. :mad: I've never heard of it around here though. The ones around here are big into selling vegetables, wood stuff..housing type, etc., and a holistic medicine....that's about all I know about them here. They seem to lay pretty low otherwise. They do love Walmart and McDonald's though. :D

goldengirl88

05-23-2014, 11:50 AM

molly muffin

05-23-2014, 03:06 PM

Angelique (Maya's Mommy)

05-23-2014, 06:40 PM

goldengirl88

05-24-2014, 08:59 AM

Hi JoAnn and Eli:
Hoping you both have a great weekend, and that Eli still keeps improving. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 12:44 PM

I don't buy anything from the Amish either as many of them are filthy hate to say it, but around here it is true. I would never, ever let anyone I know buy a dog from them. They make their own dog food too and it is so bad for them. no Amish should be allowed more than one dog as far as I am concerned! I am so happy to see Eli continuing to do well. That must take a lot of worry off you. I need to get my garage cleaned up so send that friend of your over here next!! Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! I'm thinking about renting her out! She's worth a FORTUNE!! Her next visit we're cleaning out my storage. I haven't been through it in over 10 years! They've made a fortune off of me!! :rolleyes: :eek:

I hope you and Tipper are doing well!

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 01:17 PM

Glad you are having a good time with your girlfriend. Nothing like friends to keep things in perspective. So Eli, wrapped her around his paw eh. Sounds like he enjoyed the visit too. I bet he is real cute with his hair cut.

Oh now, don't worry if some cushings symptoms come out big time for the next 48 hours or so, that can happen after an ACTH. Can happen, not a definite will happen. :)

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Eli had his ACTH Stim yesterday. The results though, won't be in until later in the week, due to the holiday on Monday. The only thing different about Eli was right out of the gate was that he was drooling on the left side of his mouth. He's been doing that now for weeks, off and on, since he was first sick from the Vetoryl overdose. So, I'm with Iris, believing it's also a rare side effect of the Cushing's. ....along with the nerve thing with his tongue (being related). I'm trying to give him softer, chewy treats (when warranted :D), but he can still eat his kibble OK since it's small bites. I noticed he does work food items to the right side of his mouth to chew or bite. I guess if I ever have the money, I'll take him to the Neurologist in Louisville, and get a better read on that. But, for now, anyway, it's not a really big problem for him. But, I'll be keeping a watch on it.

So, far so good for the ACTH...after his LDDS, he was full blown Cushing's.....yesterday.....I was waiting for it...actually prepared, and put the Belly Bands on him anyway (because he had been dripping some this week)......and watched him close....but he was fine! That even shocked me! :eek:

Jo Ann and Eli

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 02:18 PM

Hi Jo Ann & Eli
Thank you so much for your kind words on my Maya's thread. It was appreciated. I just read thru the first 24 pages of your thread and could not read fast enough in worry your precious boy was going to be ok. I am continually amazed by the dedication and compassion the dear souls on this forum show and for both our sakes I am glad we have found our way here even though the reasons for it are heart breaking. Your little boy Eli is very cute and I hope you both continue to improve health wise. My thoughts are with you both.

Hugs Angelique & Maya

Hi Angelique and Maya! Thank you for your kind note!! I couldn't help but read your thread and be shocked again right along with you! I hope Maya is doing better by today or at least that you know something more from her testing. I'm pretty "up" on diseases, illnesses, etc...but when the Vet threw "Cushing's" at me...Wow! I never heard of that one!! Ever!! But, thanks to the people on this forum I'm sure learning fast....and needless to say (as you read already) the hard way from experience. They are great!! You just can't let it overwhelm you though..because the prices of the all the testing will! :eek: (OK, sorry I had to add that) LOL :D Although, it's NOT at all funny! I'm scraping the barrel to have Eli's done myself. Anyway....

When the Vet said TUMOR.....either pituitary or aderal or BOTH...I almost fell over! When I think tumor..my mind goes immediately to cancer. A year and a half ago I had a tumor in my lung....and yes, it was cancer. The tumor was removed...and part of my lung....and BAM....it was gone...no more cancer! So, yes, it was VERY scary thinking my baby had a tumor any where on his body. I had just had one removed from his neck (that was benign). Now, he has little cysts here and there...4 of them. :( They bother me, more than they do him. Otherwise Eli had never even been sick before..so to come up with this was devastating to me!

He loves to run (now he just walks fast) ..he also loves sucking up to all the neighbors (except for a couple he doesn't like). They all give him treats......and talk baby talk to him....and he loves every minute of it! :rolleyes:

I took Eli for his ACTH Stim yesterday after his crash.....and he's been doing great! :D:D Thank God! He's my baby as well...and I can't imagine life without him. He's also had an Ultrasound and that was OK. He's a pituitary dependent Cushing's baby.

I hope you and Maya are doing better today! Your Maya is such a beauty!! I'm sure her brother is as well! They're both lucky to have such a wonderful and concerned Mom as you!!

Hugs, Jo Ann and Eli

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 02:44 PM

OK...here's the bill for the ACTH Stim test. I did block out the Vet's name. I also asked if that was the regular price...and the girl said yes.

The verdict is in......

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=877&pictureid=6744

The Vet isn't going to do the CBC or BioChem until he gets the results of the ACTH Stim back (and sees the results, to save me some money)......which won't be until later next week sometime, b/c of the holiday.

I hope you all have a great holiday weekend!! I doubt I'll be doing anything here. I don't know what my kids are doing anymore...since the main cooker of ques is working out of state now these days! Boooo!! :mad:

Hugs! Jo Ann and Eli :D

goldengirl88

05-24-2014, 03:23 PM

JoAnn:
Yahoo for the cheap bill!!! Way to go girl, I am amazed. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 03:36 PM

Blessings to you and Tipper, Patti!! I would say I was amazed myself....especially after the IMS wanted $334. for the very same test. But, I paid what my Vet had already told me it was going to cost. :D I told my Vet about the $334. for the ACTH Stim in Louisville, and he was amazed, but not shocked they were asking that much. I'm so sorry for all the people who are having to pay the exorbitant prices for testing of any kind, that in fact, could be done so much cheaper. That makes me sad and mad!! :mad:

I hope you all have a happy and wonderful warmer, storm free holiday!

Hugs, Jo Ann and Eli

molly muffin

05-24-2014, 07:42 PM

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 10:41 PM

That was an Excellent price for the ACTH testing! Interesting to know that it Can be done cheaper than what most of us are paying.

Oh fun, sounds like your girlfriend is the perfect organizer.
Hope you and Eli are having a lovely weekend!

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

Hi Sharlene and Molly! What that price tells me (and you all too) is.. that so many people are getting ripped off when, yes, it can be done MUCH cheaper for ALL kinds of testing, including the ACTH Stim! The rest of the charges people are paying go to profit. It's sad. If I had to pay anymore than that...I'd be done for...along with Eli...because there is no way on God's green earth that I could pay that!! Of course, I have to add that the more sophisticated tests...I do have to have done in Louisville..i.e. the Ultrasound...which was $310. ....Luckily, I remembered my Vet mentioning that I'd have to go somewhere else to have that done...My "Oldtimers"...gave me a livid moment to at least do that one while I was in Louisville. The other tests I can have done right here. My Vet can fax the results to our IMS now. :D

For now Eli is doing great....for a Cushpup. I'm kind of not expecting his cortisol level to be really high at this moment. I'm also weaning him off the Predisone this week.

My girlfriend is a great organizer!! :D:D You wouldn't believe it!! I think she could fit an elephant into a brown paper bag somehow.

I hope you and Molly are having a great and safe weekend. We're just hanging out here this weekend.

Hugs, Jo Ann and Eli

molly muffin

05-24-2014, 10:58 PM

We're just hanging out here too. We did some yard work today, Molly supervised. Then ordered chinese and been watching netflix tonight. Recovery from the yard work. :) :) That's my excuse any how and I am sticking to it!

Oh I know my vet charges tons and makes a profit doing so. We learned that when I had to do an emergency buy of antibiotic and she charged $20. a pill for something that can be bought for .70cents a pill in the US and online. That one sucked big time.

She has been molly's vet since I got her so for 10 years now.

I don't think I'm going to be very ambitious at all tomorrow. Just do normal stuff like laundry and sleep in. :)

hugs,
sharlene and molly muffin

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 11:22 PM

Hi Sharlene, Yard work can be tiring! I did napping with Eli today. I'm sooooo tired from watching my friend do all the organizing! I think I slept all day yesterday, after she left and I picked up Eli. :D:D I only woke up long enough to take him and was back down again. I was exhausted! lol Although, she did have me going through papers, papers, and more papers! I'm horrible with papers. I'm a retired case manager/counselor.....and kept impeccable records then. I don't what happened after that. Case manager gone arye. :rolleyes: That's my story and I'm sticking to it too! Ha!

Yes, I know what you mean on prices of drugs, etc. The bigger clinics are really big business now. I meant to have my friend call the other Vet office here to ask how much they charged there....but then forgot to. :o They have a new building and did charge a bunch more. I may have my daughter-in-law call yet and ask just for the heck of it.

I know even at my Vet's I did pay almost $40 for a small bit of stomach stuff for Eli when he first got sick. Eli only took it one time. :( It was liquid.....and I couldn't get it down him without him his slinging it all over the place...except down his throat. :rolleyes:

Tomorrow I'll probably be doing the same as you.....nothing. Only I was thinking about making meatballs and some spaghetti sauce. That sounds really good to me for some reason. I can freeze what I don''t eat. :D

Hugs, Jo Ann and Eli

jxeno13

05-24-2014, 11:36 PM

Belly bands.....I saw that mentioned on a thread. These are the greatest I found for male dogs. They have diapers for females too! Velcro is perfect for a grab it off and run.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=24773&rel=1

Another place that I've ordered from in Canada....(the people are REALLY nice) is

http://www.dogquality.com/

They have great diapers and belly bands....Best diapers that I've seen for female dogs. The Velcro is really tight on these. I can hardly un-grip it!

For Eli....I perferred the Drs. Foster and Smith for the belly bands. Both though are great quality!! "Dog quality" also has washable pads for the bands and diapers. I also had some made on Etsy.com by a lady. I have her name as well..if anyone is interested. Custom made...no elastic (tricky though for a male dog with no elastic) and has your babies name embroidered on them. Eli has a Superman belly band from there too. :D:D I also use disposable pads too when he needs them...Tena had 60 for $7.00 at Walmart.

goldengirl88

05-25-2014, 08:57 AM

flynnandian

05-25-2014, 09:09 AM

jxeno13

05-25-2014, 10:53 AM

JoAnn:
I used those belly bands when I was house training Toby my Yorkie. I just do not like the thought of dog pee on carpet, even when cleaned. I go bare foot a lot in the house so I used the bands with him and put a pad inside. He was trained in two weeks and never ever went in the house. Both my dogs are really good. Even my Tipper as sick as she was never peed in the house thank God. I think those things are the greatest and I used to put a pad in Toby's too. Hope you and Eli have a good weekend. Blessings
Patti

Luckily, I have hard wood floors and they have hard wood throughout the whole building, except for the elevator. As sick as Eli has been, as well, he's only peed once in my apartment in 8.5 yrs....but will leak getting to the elevator. ( We live on the second floor). I'm still kicking myself for not moving to a duplex. :( :mad: I have no clue what I was thinking at the time I moved into a dang apt building! I think living in a restored school building......where I started back to college must have been nostalgic to me at the time and the idea of it reeled me in. :rolleyes: Just plain stupid! Anyway.....those brand of belly bands were a God send for Eli! Only he is a 2 pad dog..sometimes 3! :eek: Just to get to the front door downstairs to get out of this place! He doesn't need them in the house. Of course, I can see where a puppy would, if you're housebreaking one. Lucky for me, all the dogs I have rescued (except 1, when I was 10) was older and already housebroken. Eli has been the best...once he peed on the bathroom floor when he was sick....but I have to get my inhalers first before I get breathing again, so I can take him out first thing in the morning...and he was horrified! :(:eek:

Anyway..I didn't know these existed until a friend on Facebook told me about them. They're worth their weight in gold!

I hope you and Tipper have a storm free day today. No storms in the forecast for today....but the rest of the week... everyday is supposed to be rain. :mad:

jxeno13

05-25-2014, 12:12 PM

glad, that eli is doing well.
i am sorting out my old paperwork too right now.
old bills etc. magazines etc. lots of work indeed!
my vet does not charge fancy prices too. [country vet]
i am going to walk the dogs and take a nap too.

Hi Iris! I hope Ian and your other baby is doing OK! Eli seems to be doing great these last few days for a cushpup anyway. Having company seems to perk him up. He loves the extra attention he gets. :D

Well, we seem to be on the same wave length with clearing out old papers and get to filing back the good ones. UGH! What a job!! :( I am finding lots of old pictures mixed right in there too. Things I thought I'd lost forever...I'm actually finding.....that's why I have to go through everything piece by piece. :rolleyes: :(

I live in a small town too. Thus the prices, I guess. There's only one other vet clinic that I know of down the road from my Vet's clinic. I know they do charge more, but I'm not sure anymore how much more. I'd like to find out, just out of curiosity.

I hope you have a good walk with your babies. I've been out 2X now with Eli....he goes and comes right back in. I try to walk him at least once a day now...or rather he walks me, for the most part. :D

goldengirl88

05-26-2014, 08:57 AM

jxeno13

05-26-2014, 04:17 PM

JoAnn:
It's going to be a hot one today so I have already walked the dogs once. Tipper had a vestibular episode last nite. It seems this baby cannot catch a break, and all of these things happening scares me. I am afraid the list is getting too long and it will get to a point we cannot manage all this. Hope Eli is still doing well and eating good. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! Aw...I hate hearing that about poor little Tipper! I know it's just as hard on you as well when you can't do anything to help her more. I know we just wish they could talk...and tell us all that hurts..and what's causing it! :( How are you doing? I know I read your arthritis was also bothering you. I'm so sorry to hear all that. I'll keep you in my prayers. :) Perhaps, tomorrow contact your Vet again...and see what they can do. She was playing yesterday or the day before, right? Perhaps an allergy caused that from being outside? I know my daughter's allergies are driving her nuts right now. It could be just something small.

vestibular episode .....I'll have to read up on that one! I did see a video though. The man's dog had one and got over it OK. But it took awhile. Cause and cure is unknown. :(

Eli is hanging in, thanks! Eating like a horse now! :eek: Can you believe it!! And, he's actually, not sick with anything right now. YAY! ..He wants out all the time.....but I think he's just checking to see which neighbor is around mooch a treat off of! :D:D:D He followed one home earlier today already! He's no fool! :o:rolleyes::D

How's the weather doing? It's forecasting rain all week in KY! :(

Keeping you and little Tipper in my prayers!

Hugs, Jo Ann and Eli

goldengirl88

05-27-2014, 09:38 AM

Jo Ann:
I had such a long post to you yesterday and I accidentally touched something and I guess it is out there in hyper space!! Tipper started with the Vestibular problem after her first ACTH test. I brought her home and took her to potty, and she starting going in circles and fell down. I though it had to be the test and called the vet at home, he was angry of course, and really did not know what to say. So I hit the research and found out what she had. She always starts the same way. She puts her head down low and always to the right then starts this circling. At first I suspected a macro, until I found out what it was. It is awful to watch. The one time I saw her starting into it and picked her up and held her. I could feel the force of her body wanting to spin, and that she was unable to stop it so I let her down and she circled. I have never noticed her eyes getting real bad like the video because when she is done in seconds, she is normal and not dizzy thank God. I pray it never gets worse than what it is. She is just getting a long list of issues and it scares me because I wonder when the list get to a certain point will it become unmanageable?? It is gut wrenching to watch my once strong muscular kick butt dog, turned into this skeletal, sparse haired shadow of what she once was. I try to be pro active putting out small fires before they become a huge blaze, but it is a daunting task. She is my heart and soul, so I will always be there for her. She has done more for me than I could ever do for her. I hope Eli is still eating and continuing to get strong. Did he lose any weight when he was not eating? If so I hope he is rejuvenated now and you will have an easier journey from here on. Blessings
Patti

Angelique (Maya's Mommy)

05-27-2014, 10:36 AM

Hi Jo Ann & Eli
I am so pleased to read that Eli is eating and that you have no pressing issues to deal with. Thank you for your post yesterday. I appreciate you trying to ease my fears concerning treatment. I have never had a lot of faith in allopathic medicine. I am more inclined to pursue Holistic alternatives. If and when it gets to the point that the benefits of Trilostane outweigh the risks then I will be forced to pursue that option. Until then I will try less toxic options. I have been trying to gather information on what to try Holistically but I am not finding much information. Just a bit on lingnans and melatonin as well as Homeopathics and Chinese herbs. Once I get thru Fridays testing I will dig deeper in that direction. If it is PDH I would definitely try Anipryl first.
Time to take my pups for walkies. It is getting warm outside and being arctic doggies they don't like summer much. Hope you have a wonderful day with Eli. You are in my thoughts.
~Angelique Maya & Griffy

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jxeno13

05-27-2014, 12:03 PM

Keep hope and I'm praying for you and your Tipper. She still plays! Eli won't even play anymore. Take one day at a time. That's all you can do.

Hugs, Jo Ann and Eli

goldengirl88

05-28-2014, 01:07 PM

JoAnn:
Thank you for all your prayer for my girl as she sure need the help. This morning her blood pressure was high as she was on alert as soon as she got up as a storm is coming. I have given her some herbs but she knows it is near and is panting off and on. This spring has been the worst on her. I am not really feeling well so today is going to be a slow day for me. I made some beef stew so I do not have to cook for a few days. I am glad Eli is bouncing back. Does he mind the humidity/heat now? I hope he stays symptom free for a long time. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-28-2014, 05:02 PM

Ugh! We started off to a good day...and quickly went to a sub-fair day. I'll answer more to Angelique's and your other post later. I didn't forget.

Eli has been doing pretty good really, except for his trembling and eating. he's eating like every meal is his last. :o

Today he's been drooling more than usual. I don't know what's up with that! Then I noticed when he shook his head a brown something flew across the floor. He grabbed it and ate it before I could see what it was. Hummm...Then...I took him out for a long walk. When I got back, he was drooling again. So, I got a paper towel and wiped his little face, and again got a brown something, with a reddish streak hung unto it. :eek:...Of course, I took it straight to the Vet. I know they just LOVE me there! :rolleyes: My Vet had the day off, so I had the girl put it in a vial and save it to see if they can figure out what the heck it is!! Nothing I've ever seen before. Maybe some leftover food or something? Who knows! Anyway, it's worth the $20 to send it off to the lab to see just what it is.

Back to the ignorant inbreds who live here.....sorry for the slang term...but they really get my fur up sometimes!! :mad: The lady who lives downstairs that Eli just literally ADORES....I mean REALLY ADORES...actually believes a human...or anything ( like her or her ugly, overweight cat) can actually CATCH....Cushing's!! :eek::eek::eek::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: Since when can a person CATCH a tumor???????? AM I actually missing something here??? Sometimes some people just drive me crazy!! :mad::mad::mad:

Some won't even let there dogs near Eli and pull them away saying to them; "No, you can't play with him. He's sick!" :rolleyes::mad::( Grrrrrrr!!

molly muffin

05-28-2014, 05:35 PM

That is the most ridiculous thing. You just can't explain away that kind of ignorance :( I'm sorry for both you and Eli, who loves to visit and play.

hmm, I wonder if he has a tooth bothering him? or something poked his gum, something like that. It would explain the drooling too.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

mcdavis

05-28-2014, 06:07 PM

Oh my word - that is just so ridiculous.
Makes me think of the saying 'the more people I meet, the more I love my dog'......

Regarding the brown thing - could it be a slug? I know that sounds horrible but I once found a small one on Hamish's leg after he'd walked through some long wet grass - eeeuuw!

goldengirl88

05-28-2014, 07:54 PM

JoAnn:
Is this woman for real??? What a goofball!! I would have to let Eli rub up against her, maybe she would go an ask the Vet for a Cushing's shot she is such a lunatic! Eli has more important things to do besides play with her dog! Tell her to go get vaccinated against Cushing's, she will probably try to do it!! Wow Eli got his appetite back in a big way. Hey that slug was a good guess, sometimes Tipper goes after them and I hate those slimy things, they leave a trail of slime wherever they go. I wish the trembling was figured out. Did you happen to ask the IMS about that? No storm yet, so good news so far. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

05-28-2014, 08:33 PM

MC, I think I'm going to use that as my new tag line! 'the more people I meet, the more I love my dog'......:D

No, I doubt it's a slug,...unless it came from me!! :eek: Maybe food caught in his teeth? He hadn't been out yet when he ate the first one he slung off shaking his head. I left (the second one) whatever it is at the Vet's immediately after I took him back upstairs. It should be interesting to see what it is. :confused:

The tremors, I think are Cushing's related. He never had them before. Only slightly on one leg, until he really started with Cushing's symptoms being more pronounced. Sharlene, I've had his teeth checked...the IMS wanted him to see the Neurologist while we were in Louisville...but truthfully, I totally ran out of money on that trip. I planned to watch it carefully and see what happened. Iris' Flynn was the only other dog on the forum that drooled...and had a facial paralysis from a rare side effect from Cushing's. I'm thinking that's what it is with Eli as well. The IMS stated it could be a nerve on or by his tongue.

Old ladies...and I thought I was old! She even had the nerve to tell me that the last time Eli was in her house, after she heard that he had Cushing's disease, she bleached everything in her house afterward! I think that was her "hint" he wasn't welcome back in! :( Me, stupid today asked her if she'd mind trimming a bit more where he had been drooling. Not thinking. I thought she was going to faint! She said "I'll come up there"....pointing upstairs. Hahaha! Stupid witch. Of course, she never showed! Really, Patti, I should tell them if they're so afraid to go get a Cushing's vaccination and that I'll even pay for it!! :D:D:D:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

The woman has a fat, old cat...another woman has a dog.....Eli doesn't like puppies jumping at his face anyway. No love lost there! ...

Poor Eli he's my little boy that some people now think is damaged somehow, and people won't let their children play with him anymore. :(:(

flynnandian

05-28-2014, 10:18 PM

i recognise what you are telling us about cushing being contagious.
with flynn and ian both having cushing's people were convinced it was contagious and blamed me for walking them outside.
especially one couple with a very fat cav king charles bitch of only 4 years old but walking like a 15 year old.
that was of course because of my sick dogs.
but since the vet said that she MUST go on a very strict diet, they shut up. the condition their dog was in was of course their own fault!
my ian had tremors before he was on vetoryl. after that he never had them anymore.
hopefully the tremors and the drooling will subside once eli is on the right -low- dosage of vetoryl.

molly muffin

05-28-2014, 11:13 PM

I am so sorry JoAnn. Ignorance is hurtful. There must be others though who will interact with him and you. Maybe take down a print out explaining cushings in very simplified terms. Say it is just like cancer, except it isn't a malignant cancer, just one tumor and that tumor causes him to produce cortisol which is adrenaline, makes their bodies go at full speed and not shut off. That just like cancer, you don't "catch" it or become hurt by it, there is nothing contagious about it and she is fine. He goes on medication for life, just like for a faulty thyroid (surely she knows about thyroid issues) and he lives out his life like that.

It makes me really ticked to think of anyone being cruel to you and/or Eli.

hugs to you and belly rubs to Eli
sharlene and molly muffin

doxiesrock912

05-29-2014, 12:03 AM

How stupid. Just when you think you've heard everything. If she were that worried about Cushings, she should've asked the vet before ASSuming.

jxeno13

05-29-2014, 12:13 AM

Thank you Iris and Sharlene! :D

Iris, I see you've been there too then! Even across the ocean, I guess they have ignorant morons everywhere! <sigh> :rolleyes: Just makes me want to spit! I guess I should feel sorry for them for being so ignorant, or at least embarrassed for them, since they don't seen to have enough sense to be embarrassed for themselves!! :( :rolleyes:

Sharlene, If I can find it again one day she thought she saw something on Dr. Oz (of all places) that Cushing's was contagious! What she misunderstood was that some infections dogs have can be contracted by humans. (Although, I've never heard of any myself). The "Vet" also went on to say something about Cushing's being brought on by high cholesterol and high triglycerides.....which we ALL know is NOT true!! :rolleyes: Whatever was said she had it all mixed up anyway. I tried showing her the paper I got from the IMS showing what Eli had was a "Suspected overdose of Vetoryl causing hypoadrenalcortisolism"...and even explained it to her. Evidently, she just doesn't get it!! :( These people are somewhat thick headed in my opinion! :mad:

You have no idea how bad I'd like to move from this place and have for some time now.

If I remember the tremors did go away when he was on the Vetoryl the first time. But, oddly the drooling didn't start until after the 10th day of Vetoryl use from the left side of Eli's mouth. He got sick on Saturday, the 11th day. I actually took him to the Vet on Sat. morn about the drooling, and the Vet gave him an anti-boitic in case it might be a tooth infection.....however he really couldn't see anything. The Vet said to call him on Monday to let him know how Eli was. The problem was....Eli got sick during more on early Sunday morning and Monday when I took him back to the Vet...My own Vet was not there...and I got someone else. ...Eli's kind of quit drooling for awhile...a bit off and on...but when he had the ACTH Stim on Friday...when they brought him out...he had a big drool hanging down. :eek: He's just drooling a bit now..but then today was that brown matter with the red streamer. :eek:

I guess I'll just have to ignore their dumb butts for the most part! Some act alright...some are just stupid morons. For now anyway.... <sigh>

Hugs and love, Jo Ann and Eli

jxeno13

05-29-2014, 12:17 AM

How stupid. Just when you think you've heard everything. If she were that worried about Cushings, she should've asked the vet before ASSuming.

Don't that beat all! That's the same thing that I thought! All she has to do is pick up her phone!! Ignorant morons! :rolleyes:

doxiesrock912

05-29-2014, 01:05 AM

There's a reason why it's spelled that way :)

How sad because Eli probably doesn't understand why he can't play with his friends. I would really find a way to educate this woman and others. I like the idea of a flyer explaining Cushings.

addy

05-29-2014, 09:35 AM

That woman really ticks me off and I am so sorry you have to be subject to such a heartless, cruel, ignorant idiot.

I used to tell my Zoe "We dont care, we've been thrown out of better places than this!!" And off we would go with our back straight and our heads help high.

I have to agree with you the more people I meet, the more I love my dog.

Give Eli extra hugs and extra hugs to you as well.

Reminds me of when my jerk head neighbor asked me "how long was I going to keep "that thing" going. Zoe was a "thing" because she had lost a lot of hair due to a bacteria and yeast infection. And THAT moron had dogs.

Which just goes to show you, there are dog "owners" who dont get it either and then their are dog parents.
A distinct difference:D:D;)

jxeno13

05-29-2014, 10:20 AM

Thanks everyone for your kind words! I do so appreciate it! I sincerely mean that!! :) I see many of you have also had your share of heartache with ignorant people. That's so sad! I'm so sorry for all of you! Addy, that was so mean......calling your sweet Angel Zoe a "thing". People are sometimes so mean! You're right, Valerie.....ASSume!! :(:(:mad::mad:

My brother said all they have to do is "google it"! I told him..Ha! There are only 3 or 4 of us here with a computer!! :p And, that's out of about 46 people! :rolleyes: I guess the rest don't know "knowledge is power." Idiots! A few know better and actually have a functioning brain. A few. The rest don't even have sense enough to pick up a phone and call their Doctors or Vets. <sigh>

One lady (who's not really an animal person in the bunch) the other day she saw me in the hall taking Eli out, and he didn't have on a belly band on, (of course he doesn't if he's not in "dripping" mode) she's ALWAYS looking down at the floor and says; "you're not leaving anything behind are you"? .....It took me a minute to get what she was talking about. These people never cease to amaze me! :rolleyes:

Anyway...today is another day....I'll just ignore them. I'm good at that most of the time. Sometimes, I let them get to me. I know I shouldn't.

Today is dentist day for me......I won't feel like playing their silly games today anyway. Or, maybe I'll sit on the porch later tonight with Eli when it cools off some and contaminate them all! :D

goldengirl88

05-29-2014, 01:26 PM

JoAnn:
What a crazy bunch of nuts living in your building. If that lady ask you if your are leaving anything behind again tell her yes and I expect you to clean it up!! That will shut her mouth for a while. This dog has suffered a near death experience so these people are just clowns, so when you see them just imagine them in a clown suit and laugh to your self. Blessings
Patti

mcdavis

05-29-2014, 05:05 PM

Hope you're not feeling too bad after the dentist's visit and able to sit out with Eli.
I often wonder why people have to make others feel bad in order to make themselves feel good. I subscribe to the Fromm facebook page and the other day they posted a pic of a cute cairn terrier puppy, only for someone to come along and not only criticise the fact that his fur was very short but also suggest that meant his owner wasn't fit to look after him :mad:

jxeno13

05-29-2014, 10:32 PM

Clowns! :D:D I like that, Patti!! Eli says he likes it too! :p

Patti, I hope you and Tipper are doing better today! I hate not feeling good.....or at least somewhat good. Still no rain here. Nice actually!

I know what you mean, MC! I belong to many of those Cairn Terrier pages on Facebook. Although, I haven't been on Facebook for awhile.
I expect they wouldn't like Eli then either on that page. I keep his hair cut short in the summer. lol Some people are just so ridiculously ignorant it makes me sick! :mad: You are so right!! Sad though, isn't it? Who could resist any puppy no matter the length of it's hair, Cairn or not? I'll bet it was adorable! But, you always have somebody that's going to have to say something stupid! :rolleyes:

MC, I hope you don't mind I did borrow your line! I just couldn't resist! :D Although, I did have 2 teeth pulled..Ouch! After a nap....I took Eli outside and we sat on the porch for a bit. Two of the neighbors came out and we visited. I also threw in about Eli's illness. ;) Perfect timing..although they weren't any of the ones making a fuss about him. Oh well.....their turn will come soon! :D

I did find out my dentist has a Bichon with Cushing's. I was actually surprised. Also, one of my neighbors (90 yrs old with a brain)...her daughter has a Yorkie with Cushing's and Diabetes. Of course, I didn't get to talk to the Dentist much about his dog for obvious reasons. He was busy, busy today.....and his son was graduating from HS tonight. But, I did find out the dentist's dog is a steroid caused Cushing's (allergies)..and he gives him a steroid shot every week, he's not on any medication, and we have the same Vet. :D

I hope you all had a great day today! It was beautiful here! I think I'll start sitting outside a little more with Eli. :D

jxeno13

05-29-2014, 10:41 PM

Today I got the results of Eli's ACTH stim. It was normal...as I thought. OK......well I did think it couldn't be high at all, if it was.

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=877&pictureid=6768

Also, I got the results of the brown crud from his drool episode. ...FOOD! :o I think I'm becoming an overanxious Cushmom! :rolleyes:

In the next week or two he'll be going for another CBC and Chem. ..That will give me time to catch up on my bill. Holy Cannoli! :eek::eek:

doxiesrock912

05-29-2014, 10:46 PM

We're all worry worts now, but thankfully we can share our worries with NON-ignorant people here :)

I have a close friend who's favorite saying is "I don't suffer fools well." Nicest guy in the world until he comes face to face with a true moron and then it is hilarious!

goldengirl88

05-30-2014, 09:02 AM

JoAnn:
You are too funny, you made my morning with that food bit. I am glad Eli's tests were normal so I hope you do not have to give Veotryl for a long time. Enjoy that little character as he is a handful. I can just see the terrier in him coming out when you describe him! There is just nothing cuter than a terrier to me, I cannot resist the terrier face. Blessings
patti

molly muffin

05-30-2014, 06:45 PM

yipppeeee for normal ACTH's!! Awesome to hear. Glad little Eli is doing so well.
Now he can go and spread good cheer to all he meets and feel pretty good doing so too.
Isn't it amazing, how once you Know about cushings, suddenly you find people who have experience with it all around you?! My director's dog had cushings and I'd never heard of it. Wasn't till I mentioned it that she said, yes, her dog had that too.

Hope you enjoy a good weekend and good weather to go with it.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

flynnandian

05-30-2014, 09:37 PM

great, that eli's test results are good!
no vetoryl yet!
now you can put up a training scedule for the next marathon.
we will support you.................................

goldengirl88

05-31-2014, 10:36 AM

Hi JoAnn:
Just checking in to see how all the tooty fruities in your building are handling the fact that they will now have Cushings?? Hope you and Eli have a good weekend, with no more brown stuff flying out of his mouth. Blessings
Patti

Angelique (Maya's Mommy)

05-31-2014, 09:46 PM

Hi Jo Ann & Eli
I am just checking in to see how you both are and am thrilled that Eli's ACTH test was normal. Let's hope it stays that way for as long as possible. It's nice to have a peace break in the midst of the turmoil of worry. Have a great weekend. ~Angelique Maya & Griffy

mcdavis

05-31-2014, 10:32 PM

Yay - so pleased to see that Eli's ACTH results were good, and food is way better than a slug ;)
Hope you're both having a lovely weekend

jxeno13

05-31-2014, 11:54 PM

Hi everyone! Sorry for the long delay. It's been so warm here. Eli has been enjoying walking and has had me on 3 walks just today. Only this morning he took a little tumble down a slope. He seems to like to do his business in bushes for some reason, and today took me down to the "north forty", I call it. Today, he was a little more unstable with his back end and and legs.....and was sort of walking like a drunken sailor...and tried going down a bushy slope ( a favorite spot of his) and lost his footing and fell over. Poor little guy. It scared me half to death, but he seemed to take it pretty well....his collar is loose enough I can pulll it off him if I need too...but tight enough to keep him from falling all the way down the little hill. He caught himself...and was able to get his footing again. <sigh> He just walked away....and found another spot like nothing happened at all. Luckily, he didn't hurt himself. :(

Then later took me for 2 more walks later on! Of course, we didn't go the north 40 way! :D ....He went to the building across the way and sat on their porch. lol Spreading his Cushing's around! lol I even let him pee on the neighbor's zucchini plant tonight. Urp! Accidently, of course! :p :rolleyes:

I was happy too his cortisol level was normal. YAY! But, I am noticing his drinking is starting to escalate. He does drink now back up to about 36 or 38 ozs + ....So, we'll see for how long. It could also be the heat.....but then I have the air on too. You know, in my mind, it's kind of bitter sweet in way. Maybe, I'm thinking wrong :confused:.....at least with the Vetoryl......(when on the right dose) those symptoms went away before..and Eli was more his old self for awhile. ...He could jump and play, run, didn't stagger around, tremor, etc....he could jump on the couch and chair.....Now, he looks up at the chair....and studies it awhile....and just goes someone and lays down on the floor. :( He's always sleep with me..but now he can't because he gets to hot..and pants all night...he can't even jump up on the couch for that matter. He used to love to run.....and now he can't even run anymore...he just walks fast when he can. ...He seems depressed all the time, unless there's food around then he comes to life again. .So, not having him on medication....is kind of a double edged sword...it seems. Am I wrong to think that way??

I hope you all have a great weekend too! I went out to lunch with my daughter, and out the pet place to get dog food. She goes back to work next week. I'll miss her being around. She just moved back to town again. We've never really been close close.....but it seemed we were doing pretty good together for awhile. Oh well....and Angelique thinks she rambles!! LOL

Angelique (Maya's Mommy)

06-01-2014, 12:12 AM

jxeno13

06-01-2014, 12:19 AM

I mean who in the world would have thought FOOD would have been leftover in a dog's mouth! LOL :o :o

MC - Yes, MUCH better than a slug! :D

Sharlene - When I told my girlfriend in Chicago that Eli had Cushing's, she said Wow, she didn't know dogs got Cushing's. She has a horse she keeps at a stable, and said they have several horses there with Cushing's. She thought only horses got Cushing's. I, myself had never heard of Cushing's disease before Eli got it. :( .I've even had a dog that stayed on Predisone for years and years because of allergies and he got Cushing's from it's use. We think he was a Cocker-Poo (only a guess)...because he was a dog my son found that no one claimed.

Patti, yep....those Terrier faces get me every time...however most of those faces get to me. I saw a lab at the Vet's office that the guy was selling....and wanted it too! I quit doing crossposting because I wanted all of them! :eek:

Eli does definitely have a mind of his own, including which door he wants to do out that particular trip out. We have 3 doors to get out of here. Sometimes, he'll refuse to step off the porch.....and I can't drag him off...so I have to try another door....to see if it's to his liking. :rolleyes:

jxeno13

06-01-2014, 12:28 AM

LOL That is SO FUNNY that Eli accidently(cough) peed on your neighbours zuchinni plant. Priceless. You can tell in my neighbourhood whom I like and dont like. If their bushes and grass are perfect with no burn marks then I probably like you, If not well then Griffy sure loves peeing on all your stuff! HAHAHA ~Angelique

Tomorrow it might be his tomato plants. :D Thank God, the old man goes to bed early. He's 86 and can hardly walk. I was hoping he wouldn't plant that darn garden again this year! So, far Eli has left the flowers alone...why I'm not sure..The old man knows Eli goes right there and everyone walks there.....so he plants more crap. Ha! I said...too bad if they get walked on or peed on it's his problem. :p

labblab

06-01-2014, 07:51 AM

I was happy too his cortisol level was normal. YAY! But, I am noticing his drinking is starting to escalate. He does drink now back up to about 36 or 38 ozs + ....So, we'll see for how long. It could also be the heat.....but then I have the air on too. You know, in my mind, it's kind of bitter sweet in way. Maybe, I'm thinking wrong :confused:.....at least with the Vetoryl......(when on the right dose) those symptoms went away before..and Eli was more his old self for awhile. ...He could jump and play, run, didn't stagger around, tremor, etc....he could jump on the couch and chair.....Now, he looks up at the chair....and studies it awhile....and just goes someone and lays down on the floor. :( He's always sleep with me..but now he can't because he gets to hot..and pants all night...he can't even jump up on the couch for that matter. He used to love to run.....and now he can't even run anymore...he just walks fast when he can. ...He seems depressed all the time, unless there's food around then he comes to life again. .So, not having him on medication....is kind of a double edged sword...it seems. Am I wrong to think that way??

Hi Jo Ann,

I just want to double-check your gameplan for resuming Eli's treatment, and also your definition of a normal ACTH. At 12+ on an ACTH, he is still within the normal range for a dog without Cushing's, but he is now exceeding the desired maximum range for a Cushpup. Since he is now also exhibiting symptom rebound, I would think it is time to resume the trilo, although at a lower dose than before. This is what Dechra says about resuming treatment after a crash:

If the ACTH stimulation test is < 1.45 μg/dL (< 40 nmol/L) and/or if electrolyte imbalances characteristic of hypoadrenocorticism (hyperkalemia and hyponatremia) are found, VETORYL Capsules should be temporarily discontinued until recurrence of clinical signs consistent with hyperadrenocorticism and test results return to normal (1.45-9.1 μg/dL or 40-250 nmol/L). VETORYL Capsules may then be re-introduced at a lower dose.

http://www.dechra-us.com/files/dechraUSA/downloads/Product%20inserts/Vetoryl.pdf

If it were me, I would definitely wait until the cortisol had returned to the highest rather than the low end of Dechra's therapeutic range before resuming, coupled with a return of symptoms. But Eli has now exceeded the therapeutic range along with symptom resumption. I don't believe you need or want to wait until he spikes clear back to a diagnostically high ACTH again before regaining control of his cortisol. If you want to discuss these guidelines in more detail with Dechra themselves, you can always call them and ask to speak to a technical rep.

Marianne

goldengirl88

06-01-2014, 08:50 AM

JoAnn:
I would not want that cortisol to get real high either. It will probably be easier to control when it is in the lower range. Hope Eli is still doing well, and the life of the apartment building! Blessings
Patti

labblab

06-01-2014, 05:23 PM

Jo Ann, I just now glanced back in your thread a couple of pages and see this notation on 5-24, within the same time frame that the ACTH was performed:

For now Eli is doing great....for a Cushpup. I'm kind of not expecting his cortisol level to be really high at this moment. I'm also weaning him off the Predisone this week.

So was Eli still actively taking prednisone at the time of the test? If so, I did not realize that was the case, and that would have some impact on both the test results and perhaps the symptom rebound. Depending on his weight and the dose, however, I am still guessing his natural cortisol production is elevating, as well, for the post-ACTH value to be that high.

Can you quickly recap his prednisone dosing history for us?

Marianne

jxeno13

06-01-2014, 06:18 PM

<sigh> I wish I understood all the number factors for all this. :( But, I think understand what you are saying......even if it is at a kindergartner's pace. :o So..in those 5yr old terms....although the "normal" range is normal for a non-cushpup...(Pre- ACTH Stim 2.68 ug/dL- Post ACTH Stim 12.4ug/dL) it is still within the "higher-normal" range for a cushpup. Otherwise...Eli wouldn't be showing the symptoms he's showing now? Yes? ...And, should be able to go back on the Vetoryl....although on a VERY small dose per the IMS opinion? I know she said depending on the level of his ACTH Stim she'd decide then with my Vet when and what mg to put him on, perhaps as low as 15mg. She also said though they'd wait until he started back with the drinking and peeing again(I think I'm the one who associates his excessive peeing with the dripping all over like he was doing in the beginning):eek:......Eli goes back this week for CBC. I'll talk to the Vet again about the symptoms, and faxing all the results to the IMS.....and putting him back on the Vetoryl. Only this time on a VERY SMALL dose! I'll also print out that page from from the Dechra! ;)

I'm also going to write down all the symptoms he's now showing.

Thanks, Marianne and you too, Patti! :D

jxeno13

06-01-2014, 06:25 PM

Jo Ann, I just now glanced back in your thread a couple of pages and see this notation on 5-24, within the same time frame that the ACTH was performed:

So was Eli still actively taking prednisone at the time of the test? If so, I did not realize that was the case, and that would have some impact on both the test results and perhaps the symptom rebound. Depending on his weight and the dose, however, I am still guessing his natural cortisol production is elevating, as well, for the post-ACTH value to be that high.

Can you quickly recap his prednisone dosing history for us?

Marianne

Brb....I do have to run Eli out again. But the answer to your first question is .No, he was off the Predisone then. He's no longer taking it anymore. But had been the week before.

flynnandian

06-01-2014, 06:43 PM

jxeno13

06-01-2014, 06:47 PM

Let me look back...he was taking Predisone 5 mg every other day ....along with an anti-biotic and something for his stomach because he had diarrhea...I knew he was having the test...but forgot to give him the predisone anyway the day before early....(I knew he could have it at least before 24 hrs) also the IMS said to fast him after 8 PM, except for water.....which I did....both days). So, I just quit giving it to him he didn't have any a couple of days before the test.....One day he was supposed to go and didn't b/c the stuff they give them for the test had expired...and then they called to come in on Friday that some came in that they ordered. They meaning the Vet. I still hadn't given Eli any Predisone.....he was only taking 5 mg every other day until the pills were gone. I didn't give him anymore after that. The test was given on the 23rd...I was going to wean him off the next day.....but never gave him anymore.

jxeno13

06-01-2014, 06:57 PM

i can understand why the others are advising you to start on a low dosage of vetoryl with eli.
the hugh appetite, the wobbly legs, and the numbers of course.
and the fact that he did better at first on the vetoryl.
hope you and your doctors can find a dosage which eli is doing fine on.
and that you can order it somewhere cheap.
patti and i are trying to grow some moneytrees, but so far no luck.......................

I've tried down south, as well, no such luck! Perhaps the Caribbean the weather might be better there! Might be the warm all year round. :D

Oh yea! I wouldn't start him on anything but a LOW dose! The IMS even suggested perhaps 15mg to start depending on his cortisol level....when we got his ACTH Stim. So, we'll see. Anything else would make too nervous! I wish Vetoryl made the odder dosages...and and smaller doses. I wonder why not? :confused:

I do appreciate the input. I planned on talking to my Vet when we went in this week. It seems his symptoms...sort of just pop-up at times. Some come and go. It's odd at times. But, his little poofy belly is back...I don't think it ever left except when he was on the Vetoryl...it started to go down some...now it's starting to poof back out.....like over-night. <sigh> I need to make a list anyway. He is peeing more..everytime I turn around he's wanting to go out....although he's still not dripping like he was.

goldengirl88

06-02-2014, 12:48 PM

JoAnn:
It is funny you should mention to Iris about Eli walking backwards. Tipper does that all the time backing up and also forming circles. She does not turn around and walk, she just backs up. The other day she almost backed up off the landing at the top of the steps in the garage. She is forever doing this, and it has become a habit I think. It drives me crazy when she isn't looking where she is going. We are bracing for a storm here so Tipper is on high alert again. I wish it would stop already she has had enough. Noises are very scary now with Cushings dogs especially Tipper as she is riding on low cortisol right now I can tell by her actions. I hoped Eli would get to stay of the Vetoryl for a while, but those Cushings symptoms just want to rear up. At least he got a break from it a while. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-02-2014, 01:36 PM

Hi Patti! I know! He started that about a year ago almost now. I'm guessing at the year part. At first I thought maybe he heard a mouse or saw a ghost even!! :eek: lol I just knew he had to be hearing or seeing something that I wasn't! He looks back to see where he's going.....and ever so carefully....he backs away from his little rug in the kitchen. It's almost funny to watch the care he takes at backing up! Perhaps a beeper might help. :D :rolleyes: ....The kitchen is really open to the living room..so he could just turn around and walk out, would be much easier you'd think! I wonder why they do that? :confused:

Yea..all winter, before we knew about Cushing's when Eli was outside, Eli would run for the house at the slightest noise, no matter how small....or what it was. He's have nothing to do with it. He still heads for the bathroom when I bag up the garbage. He can't even eat out of his food dish. I don't even leave his collar on in the house...because the tags make too much noise for him and tinkle on his water bowl. It scares him.

I'm sorry for Tipper about the storms brewing up. They are here too. They don't bother Eli though, thank God! I think he feels safe as long as he's in the house. ..It sure has cooled down here and kicked up a breeze as well! I just don't know about this weather lately! :(

I hope ya'll can hang in!! ....I'm trying to get some paper work down today. I hate having things hanging over my head to do. <sigh> Before my excuse was, I was out of ink, and then my monitor died,...then company...I've run out of excuses for this week. LOL :o

Harley PoMMom

06-02-2014, 03:54 PM

Backing up is a really good exercise for strengthing the muscle in a dog's rear legs.

I saw your post that Eli takes his pills in cream cheese, if he would ever tire of the cream cheese, peanut butter is another good choice but pbutter does have a high fat content, I have also used a small piece of a hot dog.

Hugs, Lori

flynnandian

06-02-2014, 07:49 PM

psst lori, eli is a MAN.

Harley PoMMom

06-02-2014, 08:52 PM

psst lori, eli is a MAN.

Oh my feeble mind!!! :eek::o Thank you for telling me and I have edited my post to reflect that. ;)

goldengirl88

06-03-2014, 09:23 AM

Hi JoAnn:
Really bad Tipper nite here. The storm we had was so bad, we have been up all nite. Hope you and Eli have a good day to day. Blessings
Patti

Angelique (Maya's Mommy)

06-03-2014, 11:43 AM

Hi Jo Ann & Eli
Just checking in to see how you and your boy are today.
You are both in my thought. Hugs Angelique

jxeno13

06-03-2014, 09:48 PM

Too funny, Iris and Lori! Thanks for the tips, Lori. I have also given him pills in a piece of hotdog when he was so sick. Even then..he'd spit them out...but not out of that hot dog. He LOVES cream cheese...especially with Pineapple. I wonder how long it'll take him to catch on to that? :confused: I hope your babies are all doing well!

Iris, did you get to go for your walk today? It was sure hot and humid here today. Eli got to stop by the gazebo and visit for a few minutes. I think he stops to see if he catch a few crumbs along the way in case they have something to eat. :D

So far though, he's still pill free. I'll take him probably to the Vet by Friday or the first of the week for his CBC, etc...and talk to the Vet about putting him back on the Vetoryl again.

Patti, sorry you and Tipper had a bad night. I guessing it was a bad day as well. I saw on GMA that there were thunder storms in western PA today. :( I hope you are all hanging in!! I feel so bad for you and Tipper. I know this weather isn't helping your arthritis either. Did you ever get any response from the pain clinic? Hopefully, you can get something for your chest pain. <sigh> I go tomorrow myself.

Angelique, Thanks for thinking of us! Yesterday I spent most of the day paper work that I needed to get done. I only have one more letter to get out. Getting it typed out for some reason is always a drag. Eli had me running in and out all day. Today wasn't so bad.....we've just been hanging out. We actually took a couple of naps today! How is Maya doing today? I hope she's over being mad at you. Eli never gets mad, he seems to just kind of take it all in stride anymore. Poor little guy, I feel so bad for him.

Oh! The old man pulled up is zucchini....his wife said it was the wrong kind. So, he pulled them all up! Weird old people. Now, he's built a huge, high wood thing...perhaps a bean pole or something? :confused: Not sure the manager is going to go for that! LOL She hasn't seen it yet. Something new for Eli to pee on is how I see it. Right smack in front of our building. :eek:

molly muffin

06-03-2014, 10:05 PM

Goodness, always something going on in the neighborhood. What kind of zucchini is the wrong kind? :confused:

I like the yellow one for slicing and sauteing, adding to a pasta, along with some other vegs. Green is good for grilling.
Wonder what he is going to do with the tall wood thing.

I bet Eli is having a good day, getting naps and social time. Not much better than that in doggie world. Not bad in mine either!! :D

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

jxeno13

06-04-2014, 02:24 AM

Hi Sharlene! Good question! I'm not a zucchini person myself...although, Eli enjoyed peeing on them. :D But, his wife said that they were too little, and that they were the kind used for salads. I thought all zucchinis were created equal myself. I can't wait until morning to see what the tall wood thing is for. I'll have to ask the manager. I'm guessing beans or something climbing. He already has some with rebarb (?) getting ready to climb. I don't have a clue....I was raised in the city. :confused: LOL

Oh yea! There's never a dull moment around here! Most of them I could without. So, the real enjoyment I have is when my girlfriend comes....or when my oldest son and I used to take little vacations. But, since he's taken a new job out of state....that's out. Boohoo for me. But, I do have some new plans (if I can find a sitter for Eli, like in my granddaughter) to go to Chicago for a weekend the end of Sept. for a HS Class reunion..and visit a girlfriend there..and eat. WooHoo! :D My middle son said he'd take me up there......he loves Chicago and it's his bd then. He owns his own truck...and can take his own vacation. :D Sounds like a plan and something to look forward too!

Yes and I did have a good day today. When I'm sleeping, he sleeps...so for some reason he didn't have me running in and out all day today...and he still got in his visit with the neighbors that still talk to us! LOL .....I've also been looking for him a nice bed for when he's on the floor. He has a couple of pads...but I still want him to have a nice bed to lay on. Anyway.....

I hope you and Molly had a nice weekend.....and day today!

jxeno13

06-04-2014, 10:51 AM

Ugh! The giant wood thing is for climbing cucumbers. The manager saw it.....and for some reason they figure as long as the old man is occupied it's OK. :( I told her I was going to have my son put up a clothes line on the other side of the yard so I could hang my clothes outside in the nice weather. LOL She poo pooed that one! :rolleyes: I guess Eli has a new great place to pee this summer. :D Urp!

goldengirl88

06-04-2014, 01:30 PM

JoAnn:
Look at it as a giant wooden peeing pole for Eli!! Maybe if they eat the cucumbers they will get Cushings!! I am glad Eli is doing well and the social butterfly of the building. He's awfully cute, I can see why he is your best bud. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-04-2014, 01:43 PM

Patti, Good thinking!! :D:D Yea, Cushing's for ALL! After all, I'm an equal opportunity giver as well! LOL ..Yes, he sure is my best buddy here! He's the only one around here who "gets it"! :eek:

They say; "you can't take the country out of the girl"...well, you can't take the city out of this girl! I'll have to admit my lovely Angel Mother came from way down in the country in Miss., and you would never have known it! She didn't even know how to milk a cow...nor did she eat eggs that came straight from the chicken! LOL Figure that one out! She would have thought that it looked pretty tacky herself! :p

Eli has always been quite the social butterfly. He's also quite the accomplished beggar. And, he knows just who can't resist those big, pretty eyes. LOL :rolleyes:

jxeno13

06-04-2014, 09:59 PM

Yikes! We're having severe thunder storms.....and also tornado warning with touch downs in a town not far from here. I think I'll shut down and head for the basement. Later...:eek:

flynnandian

06-04-2014, 10:13 PM

jo ann, that sounds scary!
is eli afraid of thunderstorms?
i hope no tornado's for you and we will hear from you soon.

molly muffin

06-04-2014, 11:23 PM

Good grief! That's too close for comfot! Stay safe!!!

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

jxeno13

06-05-2014, 11:15 AM

Back again all safe and sound! :D We had the severe thunder storms, but no tornadoes. Just warnings. There was a bigger tornado touch down somewhere around Paducah, I think it was. I fell asleep waiting for it to end.

Nothing was said on the news about any damage from this....scare.

"Large tornado on the ground near Nortonville, KY. If you know anyone in Christian, Hopkins, or Muhlenberg County in KY, make sure they are in shelter. ‪#‎TNwx‬ ‪#‎KYwx‬"

The storms don't bother Eli at all. Thankfully! What did scare him...I had put his collar on him, in case we had to make a quick exit,, and he went to get a drink of water, and his tags clinked on the dish, and scared the beegeebees out of him, and he skidded out of the kitchen. He couldn't get out fast enough! :eek:

Check this out...it's too cute! http://www.sharedots.com/dogs-a-cat-dance-to-happy-by-pharrell-williams-255.html

goldengirl88

06-05-2014, 01:27 PM

JoAnn:
That video was too cute I loved that cat. We were to get that severe weather but thank God for Tipper's sake it passed us. Tipper still slept in the closet last nite. Hope is doing well and spreading Cushings to all the residents of the building! Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

06-05-2014, 05:15 PM

It's funny how a major thunderstorm won't bother Eli but his dog tag clincking will send him scurrying out like lightening. Zooooooommmmm!!! Too cute. He Is a character.

Glad you're safe and sound. yikes Paducah, hope there wasn't too much damage there. :(

hugs
sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

06-06-2014, 09:05 AM

JoAnn:
Eli is just too funny with that clinking at his dish. I can just imagine the expression on his face when he hears that noise and runs. How is he doing symptom wise? I am so glad all that bad stuff that happened is over and that he can just concentrate on being the social butterfly and being a dog with no worries. Blessings
Patti

flynnandian

06-06-2014, 11:12 PM

maybe you can use a plastic water bowl if eli is afraid of the metal one.
how are you both doing today?
we are getting an heat wave next week, not happy with it at all!

goldengirl88

06-07-2014, 09:12 AM

Hi JoAnn:
I hope you and Eli are having good weather and he is getting outside to see all of his fans! How is the eating going? I hope he continues up hill as that baby deserves to feel well after his bout with all this. Blessings
patti

jxeno13

06-07-2014, 10:39 AM

Back again! We decided to take the day off and just lay around. Yesterday was just a boring day for some reason. Actually, his dishes are ceramic, but I never thought of plastic. :o That might help! :D

Last night again.....he got scared going out..someone new was moving in up here on the second floor, and he saw a shadow outside when we got off the elevator and started to the door.....and he skidded around, not knowing which way to run. Poor fella. I have to clam him down......and we headed out another door, but by then he jumps at anything...flower arrangements....you name it! :rolleyes: Yea, it is funny that he's not afraid of thunder storms. The only other thing that upsets him in the house is the garbage bag rustling ......then he heads for the bathroom and stays in there. Maybe, it's because he's already in the house when the storms hit outside? ...He knows they're outside? Only a guess.

Otherwise he's hanging in. Still about the same, no real changes. Still eating like a little pig...I have to take him to the Vet this week for his CBC and BioChem. I was waiting until I could pay down my bill again, before I charged it back up. :( :eek:

I hope Molly, Ian and Tipper are doing well! I have to check on Maya, Cairo, and the other babies. :)

jxeno13

06-07-2014, 10:47 AM

BTW - It supposed to be warm here today....but showers for tonight. The pee poles are working out great for Eli! He loves them! ;) :D

Also, those "tornadoes" that they said touched ground.....came back as..."sorry we couldn't find any evidence that they did". :rolleyes:

Sharlene....I hope that killer was not loose up your way in Canada! I think the town was Moncton? OIC.....he surrendered! :eek:

That was really sad! :(

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-justin-bourque-arrested-20140605-story.html

molly muffin

06-07-2014, 11:50 AM

Hi Jo Ann, no it wasn't near me. It was in New Brunswick which is one of the Atlantic provinces. I feel so bad for the whole town.

Molly is doing okay, we've had cool weather this week and it's now warmed up for the weekend. We haven't had any bad storms here lately, so that is good. We've had one thunder storm, not for long, but molly was jumpy for a day afterwards.

So glad Eli is enjoying and getting good usage out of the pee poles. Every dog should have a pee pole. :) :) I was going to do gardening today and my motivation is not inspired. Maybe I'll find it later. No pee pole to be put up though, molly has her trees that she checks the mail at every day, sometimes several times a day. :) Right now she is having a snooze as it's a rough life and she needs recovery time. She had roll around time on the bed, then she had her walk, then she had breakfast and it was just exhausting! She needs a nap before tackling her next big thing of the day. (whatever that might be). :)

have a good weekend!
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

06-08-2014, 09:33 AM

mcdavis

06-08-2014, 10:55 PM

Sharlene....I hope that killer was not loose up your way in Canada! I think the town was Moncton? OIC.....he surrendered! :eek:

That was really sad! :(

http://www.latimes.com/world/mexico-americas/la-fg-justin-bourque-arrested-20140605-story.html

It's not that far from us - someone said the last time there was anything similar in the area was around 40 years ago. The city basically closed down for a few days.

molly muffin

06-08-2014, 11:20 PM

It is terrible. Just pulls family's apart. I'm really glad it doesn't happen very often. The last over all was that one in Alberta a few years back, 2005 I think, where four RCMP were killed during a raid on a farm. Before that they said you had to go back to the 1885 for that many police to have been killed at once by a gunman.

hmm, not sure what happened 40 years ago, but I agree, it's a rarity, especially in the smaller places like that. The big cities, Toronto, Vancouver, etc, always have crap going on, but even here, not that kind of thing, where you have to lock down the town because of crazy gunmen killing people. :(

Hope you and Eli are having a good weekend Jo Ann. :)

hugs,
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

06-09-2014, 09:14 AM

Hi JoAnn:
Hope you an Eli had a good weekend and that he took time to water his pee pole! We are to have storms three days this week!! I am not up for that crap, we have had enough. This has to be the worst storm season ever!. Have a good week. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 08:49 AM

MC, Sharlene, I know we never hear much from Canada of that type of stuff, then all of a sudden two big things things. The other from Quebec. Here it seems almost daily, at least weekly, some nut is going crazy. It's so nuts anymore! :(

Hi Patti, sorry about the storms. I think we must be getting the same storm line down here.....they're predicting storms off and on all this week! :eek: Eli has been keeping the plants ALL watered...one right in front of the old man's face.....although I don't think he was watching! LOL I just don't care anymore myself. I used to try and veer Eli away from them.....but now he has them planted everywhere....all along the sidewalk and all against the building... of course, Eli does his other business away from the building and I pick that up...but he'll pee at the first thing he comes to, if he makes it that far. :p

I actually went to my son's for the weekend to bar-b-que. I left Eli at home. He did great actually and I was gone for about 6 hrs. I imagine he slept the whole time.

Today, I'm going to try and make it to the Vet before any storm....and get his CBC, etc...and talk to him about putting Eli back on the Vetoryl.....low dose....so we'll see what happens. I'm going to have him call the IMS and discuss with her first. He's up to drinking well over 32+ ozs of water a day.....and has me out at least 5X before noon. This morning he woke me to go out at 5:30. I'm exhausted.

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 08:59 AM

Hi JoAnn:
Hope you and Eli are doing well and you are not going to get that storm we are supposed to get. You know I was thinking there is a moldable pieces of soft plastic they sell that fits around the outer edges of dog tags. It keeps them from clinking together when they wear several. Maybe look on line I got them one time for my other dog that died. They work really well. My Toby would be jealous that Eli has a pee pole. Every time I take Tipper to go potty, and then Toby, he can smell her tracks to where she peed and he has to pee on top of hers. Then she goes out and smell him, and pees on top of his. It goes on like this all day, but saves the yellow spots on the lawn! Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti, I think my daughter has bowls like that for dog, Bruce. I saw them once over at the pet store. I'll try to remember next time I go over there and get a couple. Thanks to you and Iris! :D

Funny about Toby and Tipper!! :D How is Tipper doing? Better I hope! If only the storms would stop. :( ......Eli used to sniff out a little pup here....but then that dog died. Oddly, some of these people don't take their dogs out...maybe 1 or 2 others.....the others keep those pee pads. Sad, huh?? I know for sure 3 don't take their dogs out regular. Now, that I think about it.....I've only seen 2 of them maybe once since they've lived here. :eek: :(

goldengirl88

06-10-2014, 09:15 AM

Hi JoAnn:
I bet it was nice to get a break form everything and go to a cook out. I am anxious to see what the vet says about Eli and Vetoryl. I think he should respond well on a low dose. We are in for three days of storms so I am watching the weather and getting ready if Tipper needs her meds. It is very dark out now, but I do not want to dose her just for rain. She slept in 20 minutes this morning. That was a treat for us both as she is up at 5:30 most mornings. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 11:39 AM

Hi Patti, Usually Eli hasn't been waking me up until about 6:30...this morning I could hear him pacing around about 5. He didn't used to get up at all until I woke up before he got sick. :( Then he'd wait until I was up and about.

I took Eli into the Vet about 7:45 this morning to beat the rush. He did good. I told the Vet I thought Eli was ready to put to him back on a low dose of the Vetoryl. He's going to call the IMS in Louisville and talk to her and see what she suggests for the dosage. I thinking to start at 10mg myself. :D I want to work him up slow...his cortisol was still low enough (imho) and I'd feel more comfortable to start him back that way and if that's not enough, we can always work him SLOWLY. My Vet's calling me back as soon as he talks to her.

I'm getting ready to scan and post his CBC that he had today. It was good. :D Oh! He lost 3 lbs when he got sick.....and gained them all back already! Yikes!

I hope the storms aren't too bad on Tipper today. Maybe just rain. We're supposed to have storms later on today. Maybe, that'll curb Eli from the LONG walks he's been taking me on lately. LOL

goldengirl88

06-10-2014, 01:28 PM

JoAnn:
Glad Eli did well at the vets. I think that is very wise of you to start him at 10mg. If it were Tipper that is what I would do also. Hope all the tests come out great. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 01:31 PM

Oops! I forgot to post the link! Duh me! :rolleyes:

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=877&pictureid=6798

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 03:55 PM

I was reading about our little, Daisy Mae's passing and totally forgot, Eli's blood test results! :( My prayers are with Val, Chris, and her Dad. I know how hard everyone tried with Daisy and did all they could. I played catch up on their thread last week and saw her little video walking at the hospital. I had planned to check on her today to see how she was doing when I saw she had passed over the bridge. I'm so sorry. :(

Harley PoMMom

06-10-2014, 04:14 PM

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 05:08 PM

Since Eli did crash on his previous dose of Vetoryl, and even in spite of his symptoms I would not restart the Vetoryl until an ACTH stimulation test was done so that it is certain that Eli's adrenal glands are overproducing cortisol...this is just my opinion. ;)

Hugs, Lori

Hi Lori! Eli did have a ACTH Stim...it was a Post 12.4 cortisol level. On the low/higher side ....the IMS said she wants to keep it at a 5 Post level.

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/album.php?albumid=877&pictureid=6768

Actually, my Vet just called and talked to the IMS. They'll start him at 10mg and do the next ACTH Stim in a month. I double checked the month part. I know, I know what you're thinking. I'll also have a rescue Predisone. I do feel comfortable with the 10 mg. At least I know what to look for this time. :)

flynnandian

06-10-2014, 09:53 PM

hi jo ann, i am convinced eli will do fine on just the 10 mg of vetoryl.
maybe you can save money with the compounded one at 9 or 11 mg?
i feel sorry too for all those dogs who don't get walks every day.
mine do get at least 4 walks a day.
has eli had a dose of vetoryl already?
hope the excess peeing will stop so you can have a proper sleep at night.

Harley PoMMom

06-10-2014, 09:58 PM

Hi Jo Ann,

Sorry about that and thanks for setting me straight! ;)

All various body parts are crossed for Eli to do well with his new dose of Vetoryl, keep us updated, please. :)

molly muffin

06-10-2014, 10:11 PM

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 10:11 PM

Hi Iris! I missed you! I was going to your thread next!! :D I'm going to just go ahead and get the name brand from the Vet. They don't mark it up like most do..and they say the name brand is better than the compounded. I read an srticle about that as well. If I have to do say 15mg........I'll do like Patti and get 5mg compounded..and 10mg of the Vetoryl. I know it's cheaper though. :( But, not always the same. I'm hoping 10mg will work for him. We'll see. I haven't started them yet....My Vet just talked to the IMS and called me back this afternoon. I just took Eli this morning for another CBC....and told the Vet about the symptoms and the symptoms...his cortisol level being 12.4 post.

How are your babies doing today? I've had Eli out already a bunch of times. We walk probably 3 or 4 times on longer walks...today it was raining, pouring actually, and he still went out to pee. :eek: Luckily, I have my expandable leash too! He was soaked, poor guy!!

I feel sorry for those dogs too! They never see the light of day! I just don't get it myself. In these apts...they can't even look out a window or door. They're like a prison imo. They're an old high school and grammar school that have renovated into apartments. They have huge windows, but they are all high......and you can't see out of them unless you're standing up! The doors are all inside...so we have a hallway..like in a hotel, kind of! I don't know what possessed me to move in here. They're nice and new...but....I should have thought it out better! :(

I hope you had a good week end!! My was OK. Ate at the kids....they swam, I watched. LOL We watched the horse races. My horse California Chrome lost. :(

How are you and Ian and Enya doing?

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 10:16 PM

Hi Jo Ann,

Sorry about that and thanks for setting me straight! ;)

All various body parts are crossed for Eli to do well with his new dose of Vetoryl, keep us updated, please. :)

Not a problem at all! You just didn't see the test when we had it done. :D

I'm hoping this will do it. Luckily, it's not too high yet....so we'll just have to wait and see. That ACTH was a couple of weeks ago....we have to drop 6.4 points to keep it at 5 post. :)

jxeno13

06-10-2014, 10:26 PM

We have high hopes for Eli! :) Is cortisol is coming back up from his crash, so starting on a low dose should work fine. I know you are super vigilant to so nothing will get pass you!!

Oh my gads, sounds like your neighbor man is out of control with his veggies. Eli is just helping by watering them. :) :) Actually hmmm, I do hope they give anything a good washing when they bring them in. I sorted grossed myself out there for a moment. whew!!

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

I'm hoping 10mg will do it! I also know to watch him like a hawk. Not much gets past me....but once in awhile, I've been known to slip up! (don't tell anyone though :p) The IMS said they want to keep his post cortisol level at 5. So, we shall see. I'm excited on one hand to see Eli back to his old self.....and a little nervous on the other. I guess though that'll keep me on my toes, for sure! ;)

Ahhh...the veggies and flowers. I'll tell you what! He's definately out of control!! The old man COUNTS each and every one of the things that grow out there......and trust me......there's NO SHARING!! I wouldn't eat his junk out of there if he paid me actually. :eek: Yikes! I just scared myself! LOL ...But, really, I'll just do like I've been doing...the grocery works great for me. Not to worry. :D:D

How are you and Molly doing?

molly muffin

06-10-2014, 10:31 PM

Jo Ann, I thought you might be interested in seeing this, since you commented on the Moncton tragedy.

A plane load of RCMP flew up from our city, Toronto, today for the funeral. RCMP came from all over Canada to support their fellow mounties. We don't have things like this happen often, thank god, but when we do, we acknowledge their dedication. It broke my heart.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/live-blog-moncton-mourns-fallen-mounties/article19088432/?click=sf_globefb#dashboard/follows/

It surely is a sight to behold the sea of red.

Sharlene and Molly muffin

jxeno13

06-11-2014, 09:32 AM

Wow! Thanks, Sharlene! That's so sad! All three such handsome men...fathers, husbands, sons, brothers. :( It happens here all too often. <sigh> It seems here people have just gone totally nuts!! Two more officers killed the other day in Vegas by 2 extremists, while sitting eating their lunch, and some poor man by WalMart. :mad: Like in Canada.....when an officer is killed....others will come to the funeral from all over the country. It's so sad. All this craziness just has to stop! :( :mad:

Angelique (Maya's Mommy)

06-11-2014, 10:26 AM

Chloe's Mom

06-11-2014, 12:55 PM

Good luck, JoAnn & Eli, with the new dose of Vetoryl. You both have been through so much; fingers and paws are crossed that everything goes very well this time!

flynnandian

06-11-2014, 08:17 PM

jxeno13

06-11-2014, 09:24 PM

Hi Everyone! Thank you so much for thinking of us and the well wishes. I''m so appreciative of you all! :D We started today back on the Vetoryl 10mg, so we're keeping everything crossed on this end as well........and eyes WIDE OPEN!! ;)

I actually went out and brought Eli a real dog bed today. I liked it..all cushy. Not what I actually wanted, but boy can they be expensive! :eek: I wanted the best for him, of course....with the memory foam, etc.....but at $150...I had to opt out on that one. :rolleyes: LOL .But the one I got is nice, sheep skin, bolstered type...BUT, he didn't seem impressed at all!! :( :( He's always slept with me, until he got sick and couldn't jump on the bed or couch anymore. He also looks for the cool floor anyway. He does have a pad he lays on occasionally.....so I thought he might like a bed. Oh well. :(

I guess I'm just blabbering now. Nothing new here. I'm hoping we can hang in at 10mg. I really do miss Eli sleeping with me. He always sleep on his back...and never had a reason for a bed before. <sigh>

It's rained all day off and on....that's about it. I hope you are all doing well!

mcdavis

06-11-2014, 09:25 PM

Hope that all goes well with the lower dose, and that it helps Eli.

jxeno13

06-11-2014, 09:36 PM

Hi Jo Ann & Eli

Thinking about you both and hoping that Eli is doing ok with being on his meds again. I trust you are watching him like a hawk and hope that you find his right dose with no issues. Sending hugs and healing energy for you both.

~ Angelique Maya & Griffin

Hi Angelique!! We've missed you! How are Maya and Griffin doing?? We're starting him on a really low dose of 10 mg. I'll be watching like the hawk that I am ;)..I've always caught him early on everything....and since the Vet is only about a 5 minute drive from my house....I'll rush over for a running nose, if need be. Luckily, in the almost 9 years Eli's been with me, all he's ever had was a broken nail that I had to have removed. He jumped up on a picnic table once and his nail got caught when he jumped down. Ouch! :eek: That's been it. .....So, he's making up for it now, I guess. :( ...I can't really complain.he's such a sweetheart. :) Even at the Vet..he's actually stopped running for exits...before we're seen. :D I hope all these Cushing symptoms will go away...( they did before actually for awhile anyway). ....And, we can get back to "normal". :D

I hope you three are having a good summer so far. How is Maya feeling these days? I miss you posting. I thought we all told you, you can't go anywhere? ;) :D

Hugs to you all too! We're always thinking of you! :)

jxeno13

06-11-2014, 09:41 PM

Hope that all goes well with the lower dose, and that it helps Eli.

Thank you so much, MC!! :D Your baby looks so much like my Eli and my last baby girl, Betsy. She was a purebred Cairn. Eli is a Cairn mix. Eli looks a lot like Betsy, except for his floppy ears, and his legs are a little longer. My little Betsy was an abused rescue as well. She was 13 when she left me. She was such a sweetheart....I never could figure out how someone could have been mean to her. :(

jxeno13

06-11-2014, 09:48 PM

Good luck, JoAnn & Eli, with the new dose of Vetoryl. You both have been through so much; fingers and paws are crossed that everything goes very well this time!

Thank you so much! I really do appreciate the kind words. I'm hoping the 10mg will do the trick...without a bunch of tweeking. The IMS said she also thought that Eli could be sensitive to the Vetoryl as well.....so I'll be watching him closely! This time I'm at least prepared and I'll have an idea of what to look for. It can be nerve racking though. :)

How is Chloe doing?

jxeno13

06-11-2014, 11:11 PM

hi jo ann, how is eli doing on the vetoryl?
hope you will get your old eli back.
it is still hot overhere, but not as humid anymore.
the temp. will drop at the weekend.
went to the river for an hour, the doggies loved it.
i lived in such an appartment too, doors inside etc.,long hallway.
school in the backyard.
but there was a fire and we had to move out.
i found a small house with a garden, but i don't like most of the neighbors too.
BUT, i do like home grown veggies ha,ha!

Hi Iris! We just had one day so far. So, he did good today. I gave him a can of tuna to eat with his pill. I hope that's OK? Also, I stuck the pill on some cream cheese with pineapple...he gulped that down, no problem! He's always on the ready when it comes to food!! Eli was always like a puppy still until he got sick...now he's like an old dog. It's sad to watch him. He loved to run before....and now he can still walk fast, but at times, when his back legs are weak, if there's an incline, and he's not careful he stumbles around. Like the one day he actually fell down a little hill. :( And, of course the other things that go along with the Cushing's. ....This disease really sucks! :(

Yea, apartment living just isn't fun. Like I said, I don't know what I was thinking when I moved to an apartment in the first place. Evidently, I wasn't thinking at all! I should have looked for a duplex or a little house. That's for sure! .Now, it's probably too late to move again. I'm just getting too old to keep moving around. I've lived on this property now for 9 years. :eek: My kids would murder me if I asked them to move me again. LOL They HATE moving me! LOL Oh well! :o

It's been raining off and on here for the last couple of days and much cooler. Next week though, it's supposed to be in the 90's. :eek: Eli's doesn't seem to mind the heat..but then he always went out, did his thing, visited if someone was out....and went right back in. Nobody's really been out lately though.....except for the old man watching his stuff grow! LOL The veggies are great, only I've seen 100% better when I lived in California. Those were the days! I sure miss Calif!

Glad that you got out with the doggies though! I hope Ian is doing OK. How many mgs of Vetoryl does he take? Hope you had a good day today. Outside of going to the store....mine has been uneventful.

molly muffin

06-11-2014, 11:43 PM

Eli should do okay on 10mg. It's not over much for his weight, just it's always worrying since he had that crash before. Don't want anything to come down too quickly now. I know though that you have been down this road before. You'd catch it in a heart beat!
What I would really like is to see Eli playing like a pup again and that is hopefully how things will go. This has been rough on his little body so I'm sure it will take some time, but I do have High Hopes. Sing it... "Hiiiighhhh hopes, we've got hiiigghhh hopes!"
Yea, I'm goofy sometimes. :)

Yep, we are having those storms now too. Molly is curled up with her dad on the couch, I imagine they are both sound asleep. :)

have a good night
hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

mcdavis

06-11-2014, 11:55 PM

Thank you so much, MC!! :D Your baby looks so much like my Eli and my last baby girl, Betsy. She was a purebred Cairn. Eli is a Cairn mix. Eli looks a lot like Betsy, except for his floppy ears, and his legs are a little longer. My little Betsy was an abused rescue as well. She was 13 when she left me. She was such a sweetheart....I never could figure out how someone could have been mean to her. :(

Eli does remind me so much of Hamish (the cairn in my profile who I said goodbye to when he was 15.5 - he was almost 15 in that pic). My current cairn, Henry, is so different - he is much bigger and has very long legs. I'm told that the Canadian cairns (Henry) are much bigger than the American and English cairns (Hamish), and have to say that certainly seems to be the case. Regardless they all seem to adore people and have the most amazing personalities.

I've never tried apartment living but we took Hamish to loads of hotels and often stayed on the top / higher floors, so I do know the joy of getting them outside. The funniest time was a hotel where only one elevator was working and was therefore full to capacity meaning I had to pick him up, then a lady asked if he was friendly so he gave her a massive kiss :eek: Fortunately she saw the funny side otherwise that would have been a very long ride to the ground floor!

jxeno13

06-12-2014, 12:17 AM

Hi Sharlene! Yes! Hiiiiigh Hopes! We've got hiiiiigh hopppes!! LOL That'll work!! :D

10 mg shouldn't hurt Eli at all, hopefully! Eli's back up to his 30 pound self again. Trust me, he never misses anyone's meal! His favorite pass time is grazing. He literally lays by his food dish practically ALL day.....like his food might jump out of it on the floor so he could eat some more!! :rolleyes:

Eli hasn't sleep with me or on the couch since he first got sick, about the time he was diagnosed with Cushing's in early April. :( He was just starting to sleep with me again when he crashed. I miss that the most. He slept with me since I got him, almost 9 yrs ago. I was like sleeping with a warm, larger pound puppy. :D ...I miss that!! :( I guess he gets hot and sleeps now on the hard wood floor....besides not being able to jump on the couch at all. He looks up there sometimes...then walks away. :(

Maybe, this dose will fix him up!! Fingers crossed!! I hope you and Molly are doing OK! Sounds like you are! I just got back in from our last walk of the night. So.....sleep well! :)

goldengirl88

06-12-2014, 08:41 AM

flynnandian

06-12-2014, 09:02 PM

jxeno13

06-12-2014, 10:23 PM

Eli does remind me so much of Hamish (the cairn in my profile who I said goodbye to when he was 15.5 - he was almost 15 in that pic). My current cairn, Henry, is so different - he is much bigger and has very long legs. I'm told that the Canadian cairns (Henry) are much bigger than the American and English cairns (Hamish), and have to say that certainly seems to be the case. Regardless they all seem to adore people and have the most amazing personalities.

I've never tried apartment living but we took Hamish to loads of hotels and often stayed on the top / higher floors, so I do know the joy of getting them outside. The funniest time was a hotel where only one elevator was working and was therefore full to capacity meaning I had to pick him up, then a lady asked if he was friendly so he gave her a massive kiss :eek: Fortunately she saw the funny side otherwise that would have been a very long ride to the ground floor!

Hi MC! I love your story about Hamish! He sounds like he was the sweetest. :) Eli and Betsy are/were both friendly per se. Although, Eli seems much more cautious of people than Betsy was. Betsy just needed a belly rub (although, shy at first) and she was your friend. Sadly, she also had a lot of quirks because of being abused for the first 5 years of her life. For example, it took me a good month just to get her out of the kitchen and into the living room. She wouldn't step off the linoleum onto the carpet...I'd say they made her stay in the kitchen. It took me a year just to get her to sleep with me. She wouldn't lick, at all! I even tried teaching her to lick.....but she'd turn her little sweet face away from me. :( ....It was really sad that anyone could be mean to her, because she was such a sweet baby. She lived to be 13....and passed peacefully on her little pillow sleeping. :( She had liver failure. I was so heartbroken. .....Then I found Eli...a Cairn mix. I have no clue what he's mixed with though. He's a little longer than Betz was, and a little taller...and has the floppy ears. Also a rescue. Betsy was almost 6 when I got her....Eli was about 1.5 and came from the Nashville pound.....and was picked up by a rescue...and was there for about 8 mos before I got him. He's another sweetheart.....both were sweet as can be....followed by stubborn as can be! LOL You've got to love a terrier! ..They have a true mind of their own! I'm really bad about letting him have his own way, especially since he's been sick. Yikes! They are so much like kids!! LOL :eek:

I didn't even know there was a difference in sizes from one country to another. But, it does make sense with breeding the way it is. I learn something new everyday. And, yes, they have such a great personality.

I'll bet that lady on the elevator was as surprised as you were! LOL It may have just made her day! Good for Hamish! :D They always know the right thing to do in a pinch. LOL

jxeno13

06-12-2014, 10:53 PM

Hi JoAnn:
So Eli managed to squeeze a new bed out of you! He works his magic and had people wrapped around his paw! I think he is going to do well on the 10mg Vetoryl. You know all the signs now, but I think this is going to go so much better than before. Are you getting these storms? It is dark out like nite time here and another one is coming. I will be glad for Tipper's sake when fall comes. Blessings
patti

Hi Patti! Yes, I felt sorry for him. :( He kept looking up at the chair, and I guess knowing he couldn't jump up anymore, he'd just walk away. So, I got him one of those bolster type (box type, with sides) so he could snuggle in...now he walks past it, looks in and walks away.......and lays on another sheep skin mat, that belonged to Betsy..but is kind of small for him. ....then he walks over and flops on the cold floor. :rolleyes: Maybe, one day, he'll get in it. LOL I got him in it yesterday to show him...but he didn't seem to impressed at the time. <sigh> LOL

Are the pills still working for Tipper?? It's been raining here...but not storming. Tomorrow it's suppose to again. :( We've sure had our share. I'll be glad when it stops. I like the warmer weather so I can breathe. Eli doesn't seem to mind it. But, I know poor little Tipper has a hard time in all time mess. :( I wish things were better for her. Maybe, when it stops raining it won't be so bad. :)

I gave him tuna mixed with his dog food and he gobbled that down with his pill today......along with the cream cheese. He seemed happy anyway.....and didn't have a clue. :D I'm hoping the 10mg will the trick. We might have to go up......but, I'm hoping not, for now anyway.

Maybe, it won't rain up your way tomorrow. It's OK if it rains down here.....I don't have any plans for the day. Send it on down! Maybe, the pee poles will fall over! Now, the old man started making picture frames in the parking lot out of the back of his van! It's looks like hillbilly heaven around here! :o Grrrr...! Sawdust flying everywhere now! :eek:

jxeno13

06-12-2014, 11:26 PM

hi jo-ann, glad that eli is doing ok.
i started ian on 10 mg too, he is now on 30 mg and weighs about 15 kg. so almost the same as eli.
i can understand that you don't want to move again, so grow some veggies and enjoy your walks with eli.......

Hi Iris! Eli is doing fine so far. I think he likes the tuna and dog food he's getting in the morning. I mix the tuna with his kibble.....and he's actually going for it. But, then again, right now, he's eating anything he can find. :rolleyes: He does like tuna though.

I'm hoping he could stay on 10mg.....although, I know that can change. So, we'll see what happens and how he handles it. The Vets want to keep his cortisol level at a 5.

I'd move again in a heartbeat, if I could, especially after today. The old man pulled out a table saw out of the back of his van in the parking lot (in front of our apartments).....and started making picture frames! :D Sawdust was everywhere! I don't know how he gets any with it. The manager lets him just to keep him "occupied", I guess. <sigh> I didn't say a word....for a change! :rolleyes:

One of my other neighbors gave me some turnip greens that I cooked for dinner. She got them from her aunt she said. They were really good. :D

Eli didn't walk much today. Not many people were out...he stayed closer to home....although he did sit on the porch for awhile. One of the neighbors (that he loves) gave him a popsicle.....one of his favorite things. I had to cut down on them though. I'm afraid now with the Cushing's about Diabetes. :( Always something to worry about now. <sigh>

I hope Ian and Enya are doing well! How's the weather there now? Still hot? Too bad you don't have an air conditioner. That's a bummer. You'd all be so much more comfortable with this hot weather.

goldengirl88

06-13-2014, 08:51 AM

jxeno13

06-13-2014, 11:28 AM

Hi JoAnn:
We had a decent nite here. Tipper slept in the closet again. I am not going to try and make her stop doing it if that makes her comfortable.. The humidity is really up here and we already walked, but my breathing was really bad. I walked them really slow as it affects Tipper too. WE are to get bad rain and storms this afternoon, but I hope it just passes us by again! The Cush dogs have a hard time in the heat and humidity, or the extreme cold. Maybe Eli was just feeling the heat a tad. He sounds so full of character, I bet he is a ball. Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! It was a quiet night here. Last night when I took him out he totally REFUSED to go out the front way....I had to take him out a side door. I even tried dragging him off the porch....he's pretty strong and when he decides not to do something...he's NOT going to do it! :rolleyes: ...So, this morning, I started out the front again....and NOT! He wanted out the side door again! :( I don't know what his problem is today with the front yard. Maybe, the scenery is getting old! I wonder if they have a pill for STUBBORNNESS?? LOL

I'd just let Tipper sleep wherever she wants and feels safe and comfy. I've got to where Eli does pretty much what he wants....except eat strange food outside. LOL ....Perhaps, he's just another VERY spoiled child of mine? :eek:

I guess it's raining all the the eastern coast. It's raining, raining, raining here this morning, but no thunder or lightening though. At least the old man can't go outside and reek havoc. :D :D

Since, it's Friday the 13th, AND a full moon tonight.....I think we'll be staying in as well. :eek: Not that I'm superstitious....just being safe, just in case. LOL Actually, I was 13 on a Friday the 13th! :D

Other than being stubborn, Eli had chicken and his kibble for breakfast with his pill this morning and is doing OK. Now, he's back to napping. We've been out for a walk about 6:30...I have the trouble walking and breathing myself. I have COPD......Yesterday, Eli even ran across the yard. It was good to see him run again. :D

goldengirl88

06-13-2014, 03:03 PM

Hi JoAnn:
It's getting black and the wind is really blowing so I guess something is brewing. Tipper has been in and out of her closet. I dare not go in to get any clothes or I get a dirty look! I hope no thunder accompanies this one! Maybe something is scaring Eli at the front door and that is why he goes to the side one. They get real funny with this disease, so it could be something bothering him there. Blessings
Patti

flynnandian

06-13-2014, 09:27 PM

Since, it's Friday the 13th, AND a full moon tonight.....I think we'll be staying in as well. Not that I'm superstitious....just being safe, just in case.
oeps, i did not notice this, but nothing weird happened and it is already saturday 2.20 am, so i survived!
you too?
cush dogs indeed become stubborn, at least my ian does, and tipper too i believe.
they were used to doing things by themselves-as in jumping into the car e.g.-and they are pissed they can not do this anymore.
great that eli is taking his pill so easy and that he is doing fine.
is he peeing less already and eating and drinking less?
or is it too soon to notice any difference?
it is still hot overhere and the dogs and i want cooler weather.............

molly muffin

06-14-2014, 12:29 AM

So nothing strange here happened today, 35 minutes still to go though.

You do have interesting things happening over in your area. Pictures Frames! Are they good pictures frames?

hmm, could be anything that spooked Eli and that front door. He is definitely a stubborn one, once he decides on something. Does the door squeak? Elis does get funny about sounds.

We cooled off a bit here after the humidity this morning. It was bad early but now it's cool enough to want a jacket if you go out.

hugs all
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

06-14-2014, 08:53 AM

Hi JoAnn:
The storm missed us we are so thankful! It is cool here and the doggies have already walked. I am going to have an easy day with my babies and not do too much. I am going to make some potato salad for the weekend so I do not have to fuss with food. I bet there is some type of noise, could be undetectable by you, that is scaring Eli from the front door. Hope you have a nice weekend with your boy as he sounds like he is doing fantastic on the 10mg. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-14-2014, 01:58 PM

Hi Everyone! Day 3 came and went.When I took Eli out he finally made it out the front door ONE time..the other times..he took the side doors. His choice. :rolleyes: At 10PM for his last run.it was a DRY RUN! He would go out ANY door! I did get him to the porch..and down he sat! Looked around...and that was it! So, no peeing..no dragging him off the cement...he wouldn't budge! He's pretty strong for a little guy.....so back in the house we went! :( Back to sleep..he went! :eek:

Day 4......He didn't wake me up to go out at all..so at 8:30AM.....back out we went. This time we stood outside the elevator.....and I let him decide which direction he wanted to go..straight (front door), left or right...this time he choose the right side door. Next time out was the left side door. :rolleyes: I might add..Eli has always had his stubborn side...and at times, I've been bad at letting him have his way. :o He's sure a typical terrier...evidently mixed with another terrier. There's no swaying his decision once he makes up his mind to something! :(

Sharlene, Maybe he hears that saw going during the day while the old man is making his tacky frames. Yes, just plain old wood frames. ...The old man makes puzzles all winter...now he's making frames for them all....I imagine to hang down the halls of the apartment building. :eek: Last year while he was at his son-in-law's making frames.....he cut off a couple of his fingers. He already was missing some from other accidents. :eek:

Iris, It's actually kind of chilly here today. No rain though. But, it's suppose to warm up later this week. Eli can't jump into the car anymore either...or in his favorite chair, the couch. He seems sad about that. I have to help him in the car. He looks up into the chair sometimes contemplating whether he can make it or not, I guess. I wonder what goes through his mind. :( Eli's always been stubborn and had a mind of his own. I'm bad at catering to him. I'm worse maybe since he's been sick. :( I need to put my foot down more. ;) Yea, right...like he cares! LOL

Patti, I'm glad to hear you had a storm free day and can enjoy all your babies! And, Tipper have a stress free day. :D Potato salad sounds good. I haven't made that in years. :( I've gotten so lazy about cooking anymore. I do miss my own cooking actually. Sometimes, I actually make spaghetti sauce, I think just for the comfort of making it.

goldengirl88

06-14-2014, 02:16 PM

goldengirl88

06-14-2014, 02:54 PM

JoAnn :
We were typing those messages about Dechra at the same time!!

mcdavis

06-14-2014, 03:33 PM

jxeno13

06-14-2014, 04:59 PM

So pleased to hear that things are progressing well with the meds.

Ah the cairn stubbornness / fear :D They have such strong front quarters that they can stand their ground, but it's not unsurprising when you consider what they were bred for.

We currently have the sides of Henry's x-pen leaning against a bookcase, and he managed to knock one over and it fell on him (didn't hurt him, but scared him), so now he refuses to go anywhere near it and barks to tell us that his ball needs to be rescued. So we've been putting bits of kibble in a trail towards it to persuade him that it's not going to hurt him.

Front quarters...strong? If he was any stronger....he could carry me!! He certainly can stand his ground all right, to say the least!! Once he plants himself.....he's NOT going any where..he doesn't want to!! Even with the Cushing's he can still pull me up the hill in what I call the "north forty" where he walks sometimes. :eek: He amazes me in the strength he has! ....I thought Cairn's were bred as rat dogs? Did I miss something else? Boxing too perhaps? ;) Sounds like Henry has a time! :D So glad he wasn't hurt! I wish I could get Eli to play again.

jxeno13

06-14-2014, 05:00 PM

JoAnn :
We were typing those messages about Dechra at the same time!!

Ah! Great minds!! :p

jxeno13

06-14-2014, 05:06 PM

Hi JoAnn:
Maybe Eli thinks the frames are so ugly he does not want to go out the front door and see them!! I am glad he is doing so well on this dose. The weather is cool and beautiful here. Too bad we have to start with the storms again on Monday. Tipper is watching Blue jays beat up a starling and she is getting ticked off and wants to get them all! Blessings
Patti

Hi Patti! That could VERY well be! LOL That are tacky to say the least! The old man is always noises around Eli. He was sitting on a bench in the hall when Eli decided to use a side door this morning. But, then no one was in the hall earlier when he took another. Just now....he choose the front door, but no one was out....so he went for a short stroll. ..

The only thing I've noticed about Eli on Day 4 is....I gave his treat when we came back in and he didn't eat it. He's been eating anything and everything. Hum.maybe, it's just one he doesn't like. He ate fine this morning with his pill.

I can't blame Tipper for wanting to go after the birds. I remember when we lived in California...the Blue Jay's would dive at the windows...mean birds....they also run the other birds off from the food. The males are pretty, but mean.

mcdavis

06-14-2014, 05:24 PM

Front quarters...strong? If he was any stronger....he could carry me!! He certainly can stand his ground all right, to say the least!! Once he plants himself.....he's NOT going any where..he doesn't want to!! Even with the Cushing's he can still pull me up the hill in what I call the "north forty" where he walks sometimes. :eek: He amazes me in the strength he has! ....I thought Cairn's were bred as rat dogs? Did I miss something else? Boxing too perhaps? ;) Sounds like Henry has a time! :D So glad he wasn't hurt! I wish I could get Eli to play again.

I'd read that they used to pull badgers out of their setts and chase / pull otters, foxes, etc. from the stone cairns (hence the name) in Scotland so needed the power.

Has Eli changed colour over the time you've had him? Hamish was black when my parents first got him, then went red around 4 then lightened to crème (keeping a red stripe down his back) and continued to almost white - from age 11 people kept asking me if he was a westie. Henry was red with black and is lightening slowly, although his Dad is charcoal and Mum is red.

jxeno13

06-14-2014, 05:49 PM

I see! I can see where pulling a badger out of a hole would take some strength! Betsy would sit for hours by holes when she detected something around. She was hilarious! Just sat or laid.....starring down that hole! We had a gopher here once (don't know what really happened to him) that was huge! Probably the size of my Betsy....who was purebred Cairn. Eli and Betz both are/were wheat or like you say creme colored. Both had/have a darker stripe down their backs. I'd say Eli and Betsy got a little lighter with age, but not much. But, never changed color totally. How funny! Before Eli got sick..people were always surprised when I told them how old he was, when they asked, because he always acted like he was younger and never looked old......at least until he got sick. This Cushing's really took the life out of him. :( ....But, hopefully, the meds will pump it back into him. :D He always loved to run! That was his big thing...running! LOL I can't imagine Hamish being black as a pup! Wow! :)

goldengirl88

06-14-2014, 06:08 PM

JoAnn:
I have to tell you Tipper is a powerhouse. When younger she pulled her leash when a 6'3 man was holding her and nearly toppled him. She remains very strong to this day, but does not have the endurance she once had. Her brown mask on her face that used to be dark, and her brown patches are fading and so much lighter too. We just came in from a round of bubbles. The dogs get exasperated when the bubbles go off the porch and they can't get to them. Eli may well slow down with the food now that he is getting Vetoryl again. Blessings
patti

jxeno13

06-14-2014, 10:19 PM

He's still draggin me around for sure! :D ...Unless, of course, now adays....when something hasn't scared him half to death! Ugh! I just had another bout with him getting off the elevator....he heard voices in the hall, and I had to coax him off. I had to show him then who the people were before he would head (walking fast past them) to get out the door. (The front door) <sigh> I keep trying to think what could have happened to him to scare him that bad.....the only thing I can think of is...last week a lady moved in and he heard them outside (in the dark) moving furniture from the truck..THAT alone scared him so bad he was skidding in hall trying to figure out which way to run. ...Then last night.....a little boy came in the door and went down the stairs in from of the door. I do know the old man.....teases him sometimes and we told him not to do that....stomping his cane at Eli or shaking a broom in his face. But he quit that. Maybe, he associates all that as one thing....outside that door.....and at night. Of course, during the day now...he rarely goes it either, the last couple of days. Kind of like Henry thinking that bookcase is always going to fall over. <sigh> That he only thing I can think of.

Wait until the fireworks start for July 4th!! (some have already) I'll have to get him earmuffs to get him out!! :eek:

I had a black dog...he did turn gray with age. His face anyway. But, Betz and Eli only got, so far, a little lighter. My yellow lab was already white. :D LOL I'll have to post a pic of my Betsy. She looks just like Eli except for her face.....she looks a lot like Henry. :D

Funny thing..Cairn's were bred to chase rodent type things....and when Eli sees the rabbits or squirrels around here...he only watches them. :) He's a gentle soul. He used to chase stray cats....but quit that. Now he just sits watches them. He loves other dogs....and if we are in someones house with a cat, he only sniffs them and roots out their food. LOL

Hopefully, Eli will slow down on his eating. He needs to lose at least...5 pounds! :eek: :o

jxeno13

06-15-2014, 12:26 AM

Alright, Angelique.......where did you go?? :(

molly muffin

06-15-2014, 01:33 AM

hmm, you know, as his cortisol is lower, he might be reacting more to things that wouldn't bother him so much before too. Just something to think about.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

goldengirl88

06-15-2014, 08:42 AM

JoAnn:
I am convinced it has something to do with this disease and it affects certain dogs this way. I have read a number of times of people's dogs so frightened by noise and Tipper is living proof. When Tipper was well and she heard a noise she would run to investigate it immediately, now she shakes and hides so that is quite a contrast. It is cool here right now, so the dogs have walked once already. It could be the tiniest thing that has set Eli off into being scared, and it's a pity how this happens to them. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

06-15-2014, 10:48 AM

I really think it is do to the cortisol levels and the fear response. Normally if they have a fear or excitement the cortisol would naturally spike in response but in a medicated Cushing's dog or one whose cortisol reserves are lower ( the second post number on ACTH) they don't have as much to release in a response situation. Just my thoughts on it.

Hugs
Sharlene and Molly muffin

goldengirl88

06-15-2014, 11:22 AM

Exactly right Sharlene the IMS and the vet both told me this about Tipper. I can tell when she gets real jumpy about the least little thing the cortisol is low. I am suspect of her pre number being low now. I will not test her until July unless I see bad signs coming as she has had enough ACTH's they are brutal since she has had so many.

flynnandian

06-15-2014, 08:37 PM

hi jo-ann, do you think that eli has good eyesight?
maybe he does not see very well and is afraid of things because of that.
could be the cortisol too, but maybe you can ask your vet to check eli's eyes?
older dogs can get cataract etc. they also see less in the dark and get a bit deaf too.
if he is still eating too much maybe the cortisol is too high.
and try to feed him less and tell the neighbors not to feed him treats.
that can make a hugh difference in such a small dog.
after he gets rid of those extra 5 pounds, maybe he wants to play again and make longer walks.
worth the try i think.
i hope he will be a playful puppy again...........

mcdavis

06-15-2014, 10:50 PM

How's Eli doing today? Are you seeing an improvement since starting the meds?

It's great that he's so nice with other animals. Henry is very friendly to other dogs, but will chase squirrels etc. There are some baby squirrels that sit on the trails until he's almost on top of them - they are starting to realise that they need to leave the scene before he arrives!

goldengirl88

06-16-2014, 09:01 AM

Hi JoAnn:
We are getting ready for yet another storm. Sounds like a broken record huh? I have never seen so much rain and so many storms. We are to get them for the next 7 days. It is going to be in the 80-90 range all week so they say that will set off the storms. Hope you and Eli have a good day, and good weather. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-17-2014, 05:45 PM

Hi Everyone! :D Sorry, we haven't been around. Yikes! It's so hot here...up in the 90's...so we;ve just been hibernating..ie..laying around. LOL

Day 7 of Vetoryl.....Eli is doing good still! He's eating less. (I don't have to worry about the one neighbor giving him much, that used too.....she's hiding from him. :rolleyes:) Doesn't want to catch anything, you know! :eek: ....I noticed Eli's has been eating less, goes out less (back to about 4 hrs) ...and I noticed that grey cast to his coat is disappearing. ....ALL good signs. The fear factor....Eli like Tipper didn't used to be afraid of anything......since he has Cushing's and not long before it spiked..he got to be afraid of every little sound. Now, he runs for the apartment. Back in Sept.....some woman tried to nab him....gabbed him up and tried running with him...but, I yelled at her.....and called him and he jumped out of her arms.....since then...he's gotten really shy with noises and well as with people. He'll smell shoes...but he won't let people pet him.....he backs away. I think to, as Iris said, he does have cataracts....and at night he has trouble seeing seeing...so if there's some noise of any kind....he's not going to out into the grass...whatever door! :( His hearing is still pretty good though. So, I'm sure he hears stuff that I don't. :( ...The only thing that used to freak him out...was a man in a uniform....he'd bark at them. (Like a fireman...they used to frequent our building quite often)...and fireworks or gunfire. That was about it.

He's always loved little animals. I've only seen im chase one stray cat. For some reason he never bothered the squirrels or rabbits....I think he knows they live here too. :D

So far, so good! Patti, he actually slept for a little while in his new bed on Sunday a few times. He walks past the chair, looks up at it for awhile.....then walks over to his new bed....and climbs in. :D

I hope all your babies are doing OK! Ian, Enya, Tipper, Henry, Molly, Maya, Chole, Cairo, Angel and the all rest! :D

goldengirl88

06-17-2014, 06:17 PM

Hi JoAnn:
We have that horrible heat and humidity too. If you want to test how well Eli can see get a few cotton balls and gently throw them towards his face. See how he reacts. Are you thinking he has cataracts because his eyes look funny? Or is it that he is hitting into stuff? Because he had Cushing's I would also suspect calcium deposits on his eyes. Tipper has some, but very little. They can give you drops for them. Unfortunately they are prone to this and fatty deposits because of the disease. I took Tipper to an Opthalmologist at the hospital I go to in Pittsburgh. She has to have rechecks every so often. Tipper would go nuts if she could not see, and I told my vet her eyes looked different to me. He looked at them and said it was old age. Well it wasn't, it was calcium deposits. They are also prone to dry eye which can be painful. Sorry to load your mind with a bunch of bad stuff, but this was our experience and if it helps someone I am glad. It is getting dark and windy here, I am done with these storms already. We are to get them all week, no they changed it to include part of next week!!! Did you see that double tornado in Nebraska on the news?? Really scary! Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-17-2014, 06:51 PM

Hi Patti! I heard about that tornado. I hate those things. Trust me..I'd rather a little earthquake here and there...than to fit a tornado. Now, those scare me!! :eek:

I did have Eli's eyes checked. He does have the beginning signs of cataracts. And, I noticed at night, he has the good sense to take the handicap ramp when I take him out at night. I think he may have a problem on the stairs from the porch to the yard. The only other thing I've noticed is his eyes are watery....but never dry. <sigh> If it's not one thing....it's always a little of something else! :rolleyes: Oh! Yes, and he did run into a stick or something and scratched his cornea.....a couple of weeks ago, whenever it was he got his haircut (the day before his ACTH Stim test) ...but the Vet said that was healing OK. But, I do think he might have some problems at night.

So many little new things popping up since Cushing's. :( It drives me nuts! Like your little, Tipper, I also noticed back in Feb. when he started getting little cysts popping up everywhere. I have his groomer always watching out for them. She's really good about that. And, I did have a tumor removed (in Feb) when the Cushing's symptoms.....skyrocketed into our lives. :(

I'm sorry your having such awful weather! :( It's just been really, really HOT here! Up in the 90's! I'm thinking about getting Eli a gel cooling collar for when I take him out. They have some nice ones at Drs. Foster and Smith.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=18850

WOW! A water bottle too!! :) http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=900&rel=1

What's going on with that pain clinic?? :mad:

goldengirl88

06-17-2014, 07:07 PM

Iraklis

06-17-2014, 07:51 PM

I'm thinking about getting Eli a gel cooling collar for when I take him out. They have some nice ones at Drs. Foster and Smith.

http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=18850

I don't think that will do anything.
Dogs don't sweat and even if it is soaked in cool water it won't last long.

There are vests like that ,that must be better.
Although i have never tried one.

flynnandian

06-17-2014, 09:32 PM

jxeno13

06-18-2014, 01:44 PM

I don't think that will do anything.
Dogs don't sweat and even if it is soaked in cool water it won't last long.

There are vests like that ,that must be better.
Although i have never tried one.

Ahhh....I never thought of that one! :o You have a VERY good point, Iraklis! Here's a link for the vest and other items for cooling. The pad would be great for people like Iris maybe....who has no air conditioning. I don't know if you do or not. I know my sister-in-law bought and sent an air conditioner to her parents in Zente' since they had none on the Island. I have a/c and hard wood floors..so Eli, I noticed switches from mats to the floor....and I keep his hair cut down in the warmer months. However, I've never really seen any signs of stress in him when we're outside in the really hot days like we've seen this week in the 90's. The one thing I have noticed is he's thirsty outside.perhaps his way of cooling down...and panting more. (I always thought dogs kind of "sweated" or showed signs of being hot by panting? I could be wrong. (not that I've been wrong before. :p LOL )

"A dog typically pants to regulate their body temperature.
Panting is an complex process of condensation and evaporation which amazingly cools them down.
Panting may also be an indication of stress, pain or the need to eliminate."

I like the answer above. :D Eli always did pant too when he REALLY, REALLY needed to go out bad!! ....What I REALLY do like on this link is that water bottle! We can never find water when we are outside. I usually go at his pace...which for me....is more than I can even handle! I'm the one stopping to catch my breath. So, he sits and waits for me to catch up. :o The vest would be great maybe for Tipper. I think it would be so much for Eli...I think he does pretty good so far......but might be an idea for the future.

Cairn's usually do pretty good in heat or cold..perhaps that's a plus in his favor....sick or not. So, far anyway. ;)

This vest is cool....(no pun intended) ;) http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=28185

jxeno13

06-18-2014, 01:54 PM

HiJoAnn:
Stupid me I forgot he had an eye check. Yes those cool bandanas are nice, I have one for Tipper and also a harness that carries an ice pack on the bottom of her to cool her core since her heart murmur. Yes Cushing's is the disease that keeps on giving! Tipper went to laser therapy today, tomorrow is Adequan at the gets. I need a secretary for all her appointments. I got an appointment at the pain clinic it is over a month away! Those people must have never had pain I swear. We are hibernating also, way too hot and humid for Tipper. We are going to watch some serious TV, as I am whipped already. Blessings
Patti

Ah yes! The gift that keeps on giving!! That's a fact!! Yes, you do need a secretary!! I am so sorry about that stupid pain clinic!! :mad: I just don't understand that at all!! ....It just makes me so mad for you!!

Day 8, I think? I'm too lazy to get up and go look. Anyway...Eli seems to be doing just fine! :D Today, I ate a piece of lemon cake and while he was giving me his usual "please drop some down here for me" look.....he wasn't trembling!! Good sign!! I'll have to watch him some more for that! I've also noticed his eyes cleared up.....and look bright again...not all sad and "sick" looking. So, I'm thinking we're on the right road this time!!

Iris.....You are right! I think Eli could use some glasses! :D They have everything else for dogs.......why not glasses? ..In fact they most probably do! Hummmm......

jxeno13

06-18-2014, 01:58 PM

i think eli needs a pair of glasses...............................
i am sorry about the hot weather, our cush doggies don't like it indeed!
it is cooler now overhere, so we are happy.
but we could do with some of patti's rain.
it is dry overhere.

Iris.....You are correct! Eli probably needs glasses! And, guess what?? They actually have them!!

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/AmazingAnimals/prescription-glasses-dogs/story?id=205640

It's in the 90's here....but no rain. Patti seems to be hogging it all up north. I think she should send you some immediately!! :D

I'm glad it cooler for you though!! Is it starting your fall season?

How is Ian and Enya doing? Are you still cleaning up that ladies place? That would be fun, going through lots of old things! I love that kind of stuff!!

jxeno13

06-18-2014, 02:00 PM

Wow!! So, many new cushpups on here! :( I've read where 100,000 dogs per year are diagnosed with Cushing's. Before Eli was diagnosed.....I never heard of it before! :eek:

goldengirl88

06-18-2014, 03:55 PM

Hi JoAnn:
The eye Dr. said Tipper will probably need glasses too!! I test her sight all the time by getting a small treat like a cheerios and put it on beige carpet to see if she spots it. One day a tiny piece of rice fell on the grey floor and she nabbed it right away. The eye Dr. Said if she can pick a grain of rice off a very floor she is doing A ok. We were at the vets all morning. It just stormed and crashed , and lightening, and hard pelting rain and hail. Tipper was shaken up by that ride!! She is napping while I do my posting. Hope you and Eli don't get this wicked weather. Blessings
Patti

molly muffin

06-18-2014, 08:31 PM

I got completely sidetracked looking at photos of dogs wearing the doggles!!!

I have a collapsible water dish for molly that fits into a pack and then I just bring water bottles with us when we take her somewhere and fill the dish. She seems okay with it and it collapses down to like nothing. It was a freebie gift from her vet. So can't beat that price!!

Nope, I hadn't heard of cushing either but it sure if prevalent and now consumes my life. hahaha

Glad Eli is doing good, enjoy these lazy days, they are hard to come by sometimes. Must be great to get a nap and not have to jump up and take him out as often.

hugs
Sharlene and molly muffin

flynnandian

06-18-2014, 09:21 PM

I'm glad it cooler for you though!! Is it starting your fall season?

hi jo ann, we do have the same seasons as you have.
we are not far away like australia or new zealand.

june 21 it will be summer officially.
in the 90's...pfff hot! can you still walk eli in this temperatures?
or do you walk at night when it is cooler?
i hope it will be cooler soon.
glad that eli is doing so well on the vetoryl!

goldengirl88

06-18-2014, 09:23 PM

JoAnn:
Tipper has doggies, she used to wear them in the car and when people would!d see her they would crack up, and give her a thumbs up. It is storming like crazy, but Tipper is doing OK with no meds!! Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-19-2014, 09:42 AM

Hi everyone! I hope you are dry this morning, Patti. I still see storms on the weather for you. :( It's supposed to be hot again today in the 90's, but we might have some rain to cool it off later. But, sadly our weather guy is usually wrong. :o ...All I can say is...it was HOT yesterday around 93 and I have no clue what the humidity was.

I have some notes with a dog picture on them (which looks like Eli).....the dog is underwater and has on scuba diving gear with Doggles on! :cool: LOL

Nothing new yet today. I do have to make a run out for a couple of errands. I just figured out I had the car a/c on wrong. Don't know how I did that! :eek:

OK, Iris, I have it now. :) I don't know what I was thinking about where you are. LOL

Sharlene, I know what you mean! Seems like I'm always reading about Cushing's, Vetoryl.....and such anymore. And, it is consuming! :( I wish it could be more simple than it is, that's for sure! <sigh>

Iraklis, I may get one of those neck things for the dogs for myself! :) As hot as it's been here..I think I would like one!! :)

goldengirl88

06-19-2014, 11:23 AM

jxeno13

06-19-2014, 12:42 PM

JoAnn:
I just wanted to commend you on helping out all the time with new people in search of help. A lot of our senior people work and I try to do as much as I can too. You are paying it forward, and I did notice your help and thank you. Blessings
Patti

Awwww...thanks Patti! But, you are the one! :D Sometimes I go nuts reading some of the stories on here. :o I remember how little information that I knew about Cushing's and Vetoryl. You learn fast sometimes!! :eek: I just think about Eli and what happened to him....and the hair on my neck flies up! A little too much sometimes. LOL ...You are welcome....but, you do even more and beyond. Thank you for that! :D

goldengirl88

06-20-2014, 09:47 AM

jxeno13

06-20-2014, 01:07 PM

Hi JoAnn:
Hope you an Eli are well. I had quite a scare with my Elvis, you will see on my thread. Tipper slept in the closet again, so I have just given in to the fact it will be an every nite thing until she gets into winter and realizes all the storms are gone. Today is sunny and nice out so the dogs have already walked. Is Eli still eating ok? Hope all is well down your way. Blessings
Patti

I'll have to jump over and read your thread! Not sounding good with Elvis, but hoping it came out alright! .....I tried to take Eli out at 10 last night..and it was a "no go" again. He refused to go out any of the 3 doors. <sigh> So, back upstairs we went. :rolleyes: So...now I've decided I've decided I'll just have to take him out before it gets dark. I wish he could talk..I have no clue what his problem is! :( When I took him out this morning, he also refused to go out the front door again, but took a side door. Go figure. :(

Other than that..it's whatever day of pills. Day 10, I think off hand....and he's doing OK. I'm thinking he'll probably have to go up in mgs eventually. I don't see any other changes outside of his drinking, eating and peeing has slowed down considerably......and that grey cast being pretty much gone. But, we still have 20 more days to go yet.

Nothing new around here. One of our neighbors died suddenly yesterday. It seems the ones you think are healthy aren't. I heard he had a seizure, followed by a heart attack. They were an odd couple..and they didn't talk to anyone. But, it still makes one think. You just never know.

Dentist appointment today....so I doubt I'll be back on later. I'm dreading that! :eek:

goldengirl88

06-20-2014, 01:32 PM

jxeno13

06-20-2014, 07:52 PM

JoAnn:
Sometime Tipper does that too, she does not want to go out like she is worried about something, she will stick her straight out in the front to prevent you from nudging her. All I can say is she never did it before this Cushings as she would jump at any chance to go out when she was well. Good luck at the dentist, I had all that done a while back and do not miss it! Blessings
Patti

Thanks, Patti! Exactly the same with Eli! ...I don't get it either. All day today, same thing...only I've let him pick a door since he really has to go out. But, I've had to let him choose which one. Each time it's a different door......and he's still hesitant. Before...he was ALWAYS on the ready and didn't care which door. :confused:

The dentist, as usual, was the dentist. I'll be glad when this is over too! I sure won't miss it either! :(

goldengirl88

06-20-2014, 08:48 PM

Hi JoAnn:
I just told Sharlene it was sunny all day now it is raining. Tipper went out and got beaned with a raindrop and went into a panic. All I can think is her cortisol is real low. Never a dull moment. Glad you are done with the dentist. Have a good nite with Eli. Blessings
Patti

flynnandian

06-20-2014, 10:51 PM

do not talk about dentists please......my old one retired, and i have to get used to the younger, new one.
he does everything in a different way and last time the assistant was ill, so he had to do things all by himself without help.
can't you just pick eli up and go through the front door and put him down outside?
does he never pee in the hallway if he does not want to go outside?
glad that the vetoryl does work on the peeing frequency.
if you walk the last time before 10, can he survive the night without having to go potty?
has he lost some weight after being on vetoryl?
is it still 90+? i hope not...........it is still pretty cool overhere, so the doggies and i are happy.

goldengirl88

06-21-2014, 08:54 AM

Hi JoAnn:

Dark and dreary here with a slow rain and storms expected later. Great thing to wake up to. I think I should start building an arc! I have some pairs of animals already to put on it. The dogs have walked with a break in the rain. Tipper seems to be more confident walking in this weather with Toby there. I guess she figures it must be ok as Toby is not scared. Hope Eli is still doing well. He sounds like "Let's Make a Deal" which door do you choose? It is funny how they get something in their head like that. Tipper is super paranoid with things. Yesterday I was using the food processor and Tipper hates anything with a motor running she goes on a mission to seek and destroy it, she has always done this. She has ruined countless wind up alarms! She was trying to get at the food processor to tear it up! She is so silly sometimes. They can be real comedians. Blessings
Patti

jxeno13

06-21-2014, 11:10 AM

Hi! I actually took Eli out 2X last night before dark.....and he refused to go out the doors.....ANY of them! He did make it out 1X and a BIG BANG went off from fire crackers.(probably more like a large cherry bomb or bigger) and that was all it took...back in we came. :rolleyes: He had gone out last about 5:30.....and held it the rest of the night! :eek: He woke me up at 5 to go out......we made it out the front and to the walk before he sat down like he was going to refuse again....and I did drag him gently to the grass. Then he peed FINALLY! :D ..The nuts around here will be shooting off fireworks from now until the end of July. :eek: ....Like Iris said...I'll have to try and carry all 30 pounds of him as far as I can. He sure hasn't lost any weight yet...that's for sure. :( .That's what I told our manager..I felt like I was playing "Let's Make A Deal" with him! LOL Next time, I'm going to carry some treats with me and see if that works. He can be pretty stubborn!

An ark sounds exactly what you need, Patti! It's puffing up now here. I can now hear thunder in the distance. He also hates getting wet...<sigh> he won't pee in hall, Iris.....or the apartment...I guess he'll just have to hold it. He'll be swimming soon if all this racket around here continues! WOW! .We just got a BIG BANG of thunder! We both jumped that time! :p ...I wish I could teach him to pee in the shower.he could walk in and pee down the drain..I could always bleach that!! But..he will not go in the house under any circumstances. 1X he did...after an LDDS (ever)......and that was my fault.because I could get moving fast enough...I have to do all my inhalers first when he wakes me up and go to the bathroom myself. :(

YIKES! Well, it pouring here now! :( So, much for a long walk!

My dentist is pretty cool for the most part. But, last time he was in a hurry and he actually hurt! I get gas first before I let him stab me with those needles. I hate them! I have a couple more appointments to go. I space them far enough apart to regain some sense again. LOL

Patti..maybe you'll have a half dry day....since it's pouring down here. ....Iris, it's still in the 90's, but supposed to drop to the high 80's this week because of the rain. Heat relief on one hand...with rain to deal with on the other. LOL

flynnandian

06-21-2014, 07:26 PM

never a dull moment with eli...
in my country they do a lot of fireworks at december 31-jan.1, but a lot of people do it from half december-jan. 10.
it is not allowed, but they seldom get a fine.
my dogs are not afraid of fireworks, but it sounded like a home made bomb in your case.
so eli will be more afraid to go out i guess......not good.
dogs don't want to make their own nest [or house] dirty.
even 3 week old puppies do climb out of their nest to do their business.
so your eli is a good boy.
hope you will be able to let him lose some weight, so you can carry him around if necessary.
don't you have a balcony where you can put some old newspapers on the floor to let eli pee on?
oooh, and more dentist app. to come for you.....brrrr!

goldengirl88

06-22-2014, 09:10 AM

Hi JoAnn:
Tipper is super paranoid about certain things. I don't know if it necessarily something that scares them or they are just having paranoia. Tipper usually stick to the those things that develop and never varies, like Eli with the doors. I know the vets told me the Vetoryl would change Tipper's personality, and it did. So maybe that is where all this stems from. It saved Tipper's life and all we have to use for now so I guess we just deal with it. Nice and sunny here today, some rain expected of course. I see where the Mississippi is starting to crest from all the rain. I am taking Tipper to visit Delora my old neighbor who is in the nursing home today. Hope you and Eli have a great day. Blessings
Patti