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hounddomain
07-24-2013, 11:29 AM
Hi :)

This forum has some great info on it and so I thought I'd register and share our story - so far.

Our dog is Coco (about 7 years old) and around 2 weeks ago we noticed very unusual and sudden behavioural change...walking in circles, bumping into furniture and generally lethargic. My first thought was that she had a stroke, but our vet ran a blood sugar test and returned a result of above 30, confirming diabetes. We were given insulin at the amount of 2 units twice a day. We were told 2 units twice a day was an intermediate dose...Coco weighs around 5 kgs (but nearly 7 previously).

A week later we returned to a blood glucose curve test done and the results showed 27. The vet told us that we needed further blood work done, but that either a natural resistance to insulin was possible or another (as yet) undiagnosed problem. They ran a dex test and returned a positive result for Cushings.

We were told that managing both is very complicated and asked if we wanted to proceed with treatment. We were offered trilostane or another drug (name I can't remember which was a chemo drug). We elected for trilostane and began that today. We were told that there is a small side effect risk of sudden fatality with trilostane due to complete adrenal failure...so we are watching closely. The vet believes that the cushings is of the pituary gland variety - that wasn't very well explained, so not sure what help that info is.

To add further complication, Coco has cataracts which we think appeared very suddenly - although our vet assures us it usually happens over a long time. When we first went to the vet with our concerns Coco had had a general check up and vaccination about 6 weeks earlier. Between the check up and the first visit she had dropped 1.8 kgs (from 6.8 to 5).

The day we began Coco on insulin we noticed a marked improvement in behaviour - for one day only. Then she seemed to dip in behaviour. She is ravenously hungry, incredibly thirsty (I watched her drink two whole bowls of water in 20 mins!), doesn't seem to be able to control her bladder and has quite a lot of diarroeah. I think her skin is more oily than normal and for her breed she doesn't seem to be growing her fur back as quickly as I would have expected. I think her bumping into things is caused by her blindness from cataracts. I am told dogs adapt quickly to blindness so her confusion supports my theory about the cataracts onset being very fast.

I don't have her detailed blood work results, but I will ask our vet for a copy and post them here. The treatment plan is to keep a detailed diary of her food and water intake, along with behavioural observations. Then in around 2 weeks the vet plans to run a further blood test to determine the effectiveness of the trilostane as well as a glucose curve. During this time we'll continue on 2 units of insulin twice a day and one tablet of 30mg trilostane once a day.

Keen to hear others experiences managing both cushings and diabetes along with any comments on our journey so far.

Squirt's Mom
07-24-2013, 11:46 AM
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Budsters Mom
07-24-2013, 12:07 PM
Hello and welcome:)
You have come to the right place! There are many K9Cushing's angels standing by to help and stay with you every step of the way. They love details, test results, any information you can get your hands on. The more the better. Others will be dropping in to welcome you also. We will do all we can to help, but be ready for lots of questions! So again, welcome to you and Coco.:) Hugs.

Roxee's Dad
07-24-2013, 12:11 PM
Hi and welcome to you and Coco,

We have a few that are dealing with both diabetes and cushings. I am going to add diabetes and cushings to your title so other members dealing with both will be more apt to see what your dealing with and stop by to offer their experiences.

We also have a sister site for diabetes that will be of help.
http://k9diabetes.com/forum/

Jenny & Judi in MN
07-24-2013, 12:21 PM
hi: my dog Jenny has both also but she didn't use trilostane, she used lysodren.

Did the diarrhea start after you started the trilo? that could be a sign that the dose is too large and you may need to stop before there is damage done to her adrenals.

My Jenny required very large amounts of insulin until we got her cushings under control. We've had our issues including her going blind but she is overall a very happy dog still enjoying her toys, sniffing for squirrels and being a dog.

The walking in circles doesn't sound like cushings or diabetes but there are others on here with more experience with those issues.

I hope you get her feeling better soon. We have been dealing with it for 2 years and Jenny is healthier now than she was when we started. so hang in there

goldengirl88
07-24-2013, 12:24 PM
Hello:
Welcome to the group. You are in the right place if your dog has Cushings. If your dog has diarrehea stop the triolstane. What tests were run on your dog to confirm Cushings? Please get copies of everything done by the vet, and post results on here so others can help you. Did you take your dog to an eye specialist? If in fact your dog does have Cushings, he may have calcium deposits on the eyes. My dog has it . I am wondering who checked his eyes out? My regular vet checked my dogs eyes and said they were ok. Then I took her to a specialist, and he told me she had calcium deposits. However your dog could have cataracts. How much does your dog weigh and how much Trilostane is being given daily? Please make sure you have a vet that has treated and understands Cushings if in fact your dog does have it. They can do an ultra sound also to see the adrenal glands, that combined with the other tests can help determine if in fact it is Pituitary Dependent like you said. Checking the urine would be in order also. How experienced is your vet with this? That is very important. Please contact your vet and advise them of the diarreahea, the dosage may be too high, or it could be any number of things, so you need to talk to the vet. The others will be on to help you soon I am sure. Good luck I hope all goes well. Blessings
Patti

spdd
07-24-2013, 01:07 PM
Just wanted to welcome you to the forum, you've come to the right place. My dog is not diabetic, but definitely a cushings pup and it's been quite a journey. You'll get all the answers you need here. Hang in.. it will get better.

Judi & Keesh

juliwilliams
07-28-2013, 05:37 PM
Welcome! My dog has diabetes and cushings. I don't want to be a downer, but I'll share my story. We are 8 months into treatment and still not regulated. Cooper was diagnosed in November of last year with diabetes. Cushings was suspected but couldn't be confirmed until the diabetes was under control. After a few months of increasing insulin (we went from 8 units to 30 units twice a day), they finally did the cushings test even though the diabetes was still not under control. He was positive for cushings. We started on trilostane. My vet was not very knowledgable about treating cushings and diabetes together. Cooper wound up overdosing on trilostane and going into Addison's crisis (basically the opposite of Cushings where their body can't produce enough cortisol). We started treatment with prednisone and switched to an internal medicine specialist. I can't remember how long ago that was, but since then he's gotten much better treatment. Cooper seems to be particularly sensitive to trilostane and has gone into Addison's crisis again even with close monitoring. Throughout the entire process he's been battling bladder infections (very common in dogs with diabetes since they have so much sugar in their urine). We finally determined that the second a bladder infection starts he goes resistant to the insulin. It's a terrible cycle he's gotten into. All of his issues seem to feed off each other and make everything worse.

I will say that when we did have the cushings under control he was a whole different dog! But it's only been a few weeks in the last 8 months that he's been like that. The rest of the time he's just sleeping, drinking, and peeing.

Oh, and we had a VERY sudden onset of cataracts. I swear within 2 weeks he went from a little cloudy eyes to completely blind. It's taken him a while, but he has figured out his way around the house without his vision and walks into walls far less often. The vet said cataracts (and sudden onset of them) is common in unregulated diabetic dogs and could also occur in regulated dogs.

So, I don't want to sound all negative, but I just want you to know it's a long road ahead getting a diabetic and cushings dog regulated. And it's a very expensive road. I don't even want to think about how much we've spent the last 8 months on our boy. If you're not seeing a specialist yet, I recommend getting to one as quick as possible. You will wind up there eventually and they will just redo all the tests and trials your regular vet has done, so you might as well start out there. When we switched to a specialist, we cut back Cooper's insulin from 30 units to 15 and started working our way back up again. I feel like it was months wasted, but she wanted to be certain we weren't overdosing him. Currently we're at 40 units twice a day and still getting blood glucose readings consistently in the 300-400s.

I also recommend home testing of the blood glucose. It's not too hard to do and it's much less stressful on the dog than having to spend the day at the vet. Besides doing the glucose curves at home, you also have the monitor there in case he ever starts acting weird. I like having the reassurance of being able to test him real quick and make sure he's not having blood glucose issues. It could save a vet visit or two!

I've got my fingers crossed for you and Coco! I really hope it's an easy case and she's regulated right off the bat!!