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CoGeo
02-18-2013, 06:58 PM
Hello,
My 11 year old Yorkiepoo was diagnosed with cushings on Jan 25th. we did an ultrasound, and learned that she had the rarest of rare cushings, in which they found tumor on her left adrenal, and nodule on her right adrenal gland. My vet said this was extremely rare, and though he is very well versed with Cushings, he recommended that I seek second opinion from a specialist. I am posting to this forum, because I am so confused and torn as to what to do for my little girl. she is my heart and soul, and I am scared and so very nervous about what is in our future. I am wondering if anyone else has gone through a similar experience, and can share what I could experience over the next few months, what i should do etc. We are leaning towards the surgery (and we are ok with the expense) but my heart is heavy in trying to make the right decision for Coco.

the following is her medical report as well as what the Specialist's recommendations:

"Coco is an 11 year old Yorkshire terrier mix that was referred for evaluation due to a diagnosis of Cushing's disease and a finding of bilateral adrenal masses. She has a previous history of a left RACL repair and hypothyroidism for which she receives 0.05mg thyroxin BID. She presented recently for a routine geriatric evaluation. The owner believes that she has always drank alot of water but she seems to be drinking noticably more than the other dog. She also seems to be begging more for food. In addition the owner notes that her hair is thinning on her ears and tail. A CBC and chemistry were normal. Urine was dilute at 1.022, but otherwise normal. Based on her clinical signs, a LDDST was performed and was diagnostic for Cushings disease. THe pattern (4.3, 3.4, 3.7) was suggestive of adrenal based disease. An abdominal ultrasound was performed and found a large adrenal mass on the left and a 1cm adrenal nodule on the right. There was also some evidence of mild chronic renal changes.
On physical examination Coco was bright and alert. She has a slightly thin hair coat and pendulous abdomen. There is some thickening of the left stifle. Heart and lung sounds, peripheral lymph nodes and abdominal palpation were unremarkable. T 101.7, P 119, R 30 Wt 2.28
Unfortunately, there is not a way to determine if the adrenal masses are cortical or medullary without histopathology. There are several possible combinations of what may be occurring:

-two adrenocortical carcinomas

-two adrenocortical adenomas

-one carcinoma, one adenoma

-one carcioma, one pheochromocytoma

-one adenoma one pheochromocytoma
This gives us several options:
-remove both adrenals and treat as hypoadrenocorticism (we have done several bilateral adrenalectomies here with good outcomes - all dogs). I consider this the most aggressive, but also the most likely to eliminate the problem.
-remove the large mass and re-evaluate for Cushing's or monitor for signs of a pheochromocytoma afterward to determine if the 1cm nodule is functional. If it is, it could be treated medically (still would not know if it were malignant), or a second surgery could be performed.
-treat medically with the knowledge that if it is a pheochromocytoma or an adenocarcinoma, metastasis could be expected within 6 months to one year, as well as the knowledge that not all adrenal tumors respond to lysodren.
My particular recommendation would be the first, more aggressive option. The cost and risk of removing both adrenals is not significantly more than removing one. I also sought the opinion of our other internist. He would lean more toward the second option because often adrenal nodules are benign. I discussed all of these options with the owner and we are sending her an estimate for a bilateral adrenalectomy. I also asked Dr. Mison to look into the feasibility of a partial adrenalectomy on the right side. Meanwhile, [/I]regardless of the choice of surgery, medical management is indicated.
Lysodren will be compounded into 100mg/ml solution - give 1/2 ml twice for induction, then 1/4ml four times per week for maintenance. Not all adrenal tumors are responsive, and some require much higher doses of lysodren than are typically used with pituitary dependent disease."

thanks for reading, and appreciate any feedback.

frijole
02-18-2013, 09:55 PM
It is rare but we have seen it here... I just can't remember which dog it was. Hopefully someone who has gone thru the surgery will respond with their thoughts and help you with those questions. I can tell you that whoever does the surgery has to be a specialist with a TON of experience doing the surgery - not a regular vet. It is way too tricky. I would want to meet the surgeon and get the surgeon's take on the likelihood of success. (perhaps the surgeon wrote this report?????)

Here's where I can help you. My dear Annie had a pheochromocytoma. I will save you her very long and complicated story. She lived with it for over two years and had a good life. She lost most of her hair, she lost a ton of weight - was skeletal and in the end it wasn't a heart attack from the pheo that took her - it was muscle wasting and loss of the use of her limbs. My girl was alert but I had to make that tough choice. It took us forever to figure out what was wrong with her and didn't feel she was a good candidate for surgery by the time we figured it out.

If you are going to have the surgery done I would totally have the pheo removed as well. If you want physical evidence go to my photo album of my little girl and look at the before and after photos. (you can get their by hitting my name, then look for my albums)

I hope this helps you!
Kim

CoGeo
02-18-2013, 11:09 PM
Hi Kim,

Thank you for sharing your story about Annie, I can tell from pictures she was very loved, not to me tie quite the cutie pie too. Actually, I have not met the surgeon, but I am told he is board certified surgeon and the specialist referred to him as an internist specialist. Both my vet and the doc who wrote up the report have assured me that the the internist is very good. I think I am just in a bit a shock and feeling numb as all of this seems to be happening so fast, and yet to look at her one would never know that she has anything wrong with her. i am trying to understand what to expect, how Coco's life will be moving forward...thank you again, and I hope that I will learn more from others.

Trish
02-19-2013, 03:31 AM
Hi

This all sounds very familiar to my boy Flynn! He is also 11 too and is a fox terrier cross. He was diagnosed with an adrenal tumour on the right side last November and had surgery to remove it in December. Look for Flynn's thread on here but I warn you now, it is massive as I am a postaholic!! His preop scan also showed a nodule on the left which was a big worry to me when deciding what to do but they were fairly certain it was a nodule, but as your specialist said there is no guarantee without biopsy which they cannot do without operating. Flynn had very high blood pressure so that is how they came to the decision it was most likely a pheochromocytoma as they tend to go together. Has your girl had her BP checked?

We made the decision to proceed with surgery once his BP was stabilised to remove the right tumour and examine the left during surgery. He is now 2 1/2 months postop and is coming right. Flynn's preop tests were all negative for cushings and on the scan they could see it starting in the adrenal medulla which are also signs pointing to a pheo. Because of this he did not need any cushing drugs preop. My vets told me that pheo tumours have a high chance of being benign, so even though we now have positive histology that his was a pheo, with this particular type of tumour you do not know whether it is a malignant type or not, even with the positive histology which is frustrating. He had to have CT scans that also checked his lungs to check for metastases before they would go ahead with the surgery. Thank goodness they was negative. His tumour also invaded his vena cava, but came out of there fine. During the surgery they closely inspected the opposite adrenal gland and were convinced it was a nodule related to age so they did not remove it or even biopsy it.

I wrote the excerpt below on another member's thread when they were considering surgery for their dog, so I have coped and pasted here.... hope it helps with your decision making.

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This is what I based my decision on when trying to figure out what to do - keeping in mind Flynn was symptomatic esp from his high BP.

1. Expected life span for the dog - probably another 3 - 5 yrs for Flynn
2. Other health problems - heart, lungs no problems apart from BP. But past history of low grade hepatocellular carcinoma one year prior to finding adrenal mass. Successful surgery to remove his huge 650g mass with no sign of recurrence a year later.
3. Surgeon recommendations - yes he would do it for his own dog, yes he had experience with vena cava thrombus extractions with no deaths. University pet hospital - only vet training centre in NZ.
4. Risks - no sign of any tumour spread on CT including chest, understood all other potential problems eg bleeding, anaesthetic, vena cava complications, clots, pancreatitis, death
5. Prognosis if we treated medically - months only
6. Quality of life - for Flynn poor if we did nothing and death a few months away
7. Psychological - (me!) could I accept it if he died during surgery... probably would have hated myself for going through with it, but I still thought if he did die I had given him every chance of a full recovery and at least it would have been quick for him
8. Financially - yes I could afford it, if I keep working till I am 80 haha.. no, not really but it certainly is not cheap. Cost $3100.00 here in NZ including all preop scans including CT
9. Post-op care availability - support from vets, time off work for 2 weeks for me, should have taken more but ran out of leave but I'm lucky I have parents who look after him during day while I work

Now in retrospect a rocky ten weeks postop:

8. Would I do it again - YES in a heartbeat, it has given him a chance even though it has been hard and stressful and we have had a few setbacks, but keep in mind most would not have happened if we did not have the swab debacle
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So while at this stage I have a positive story, I still watch him like a hawk, but hopefully he will continue to do well now that he has got over a few postop speed bumps! I have a few pics up of him in my album, shows him immediately postop and also a few from this past weekend when he is happily playing with his toys!! He was out of hospital the following day, although he did have to go back for a couple of issues!

Please ask any questions, as I am very happy to help and share my experience. I well remember the stage where you are now, I think one of the helpful posters here described it as feeling like a deer in the headlights :eek::eek: and it sure was, but now you have all of us to help you along the way so very pleased you found us!

Take Care
Trish xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

CoGeo
02-19-2013, 08:58 PM
Hi Trish, thank you for post,it was very helpful. I think her bp is ok, but I am going to double check with the vet. Also, thanks for sharing about taking time off of work, I did not even tink about that. I think that's part of my problem, I don't know what I should and should not be considering. I am a sponge trying to soak up all information from everyone. Sincerely, coco's mom.