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jsvera
08-24-2012, 02:45 AM
I don't know what I keep doing wrong but I am going to try again.

I have a ten year old chihuahua that was diagnosed with cushings yesterday. I came home from the vet and went online to see what information I could find. I found some very informative youtube videos and then I found this board/forum. (Sorry, can't keep the terms straight.)

Tinkerbell has some of the symptoms......increased thirst and increased urine and the pot belly. She sheds a lot but still has a full coat. She holds her tail kind of funny lately but I thought it was just because she's getting old. She had her last litter three and a half years ago and we kept a puppy. She didn't wean her puppies until they were four months old. Then, when the puppy we kept was 16 months old we caught her nursing again....and Tink had milk. I asked the vet about it and he said to separate them or keep her in a onsie until her milk dried up. I did and I thought that was that, but a month or two ago I realized the puppy had gotten real fat but she eats very little.....then I caught her nursing again...and Tink once again has milk. Tink was due for her anual anyway so I asked the vet about it again. (Different vet.) He said she obviously has something going on with her hormones and needed to be spayed. Well, a year ago I was going to have her spayed but her liver enzymes were slightly elevated and the estimate for the extra care she would need because of that was so high I decided I would just make sure she was never around an unfixed male. So this vet convinced me it was necessary and I made the appointment. Took her for preop blood work two days ago and to her appointment for the surgery yesterday. The vet told me he thinks she has cushings and would need to be on medication for the rest of her life....and at least for a month before he could risk surgery. He showed me where they had done a three step dexa test a year ago(I think that's what they called it)...I had forgotten that. It was abnormal but not a lot. This time her liver enzymes were way high. I wonder, since she is producing milk without having recent puppies, if her cushings is atypical.

They didn't suggest any other tests just prescribed trilostane. I am trying to learn what I can about the disease and possible alternative treatments. I would rather she live comfortable for a year than be miserable for five years. I'm afraid the medication could make her miserable...and how will I know? She can't tell me if it makes her feel bad, but I know it's pretty toxic.

Also, if the dose she is supposed to take now is the dose she will take the rest of her life.....supposing she lives 5 years, I will have spent more than $3,600 just on medication, not to mention frequent lab work to monitor the medication effects. I love her dearly but am trying to be realistic. I didn't get copies of her labs, kind of left in a daze. I will go in tomorrow and ask for copies of these recent labs and also the previous ones. I also wonder if a tendency for this is hereditary. I gave one of her puppies to my parents and that dog has some symptoms, too. Always hungry. Pot belly. Drinks a lot. Sheds a lot.

mytil
08-24-2012, 07:01 AM
Hi and welcome to our site - yep, you did it right this time :)

I am sorry your Tinkerbell is having these troubles. Looking forward to the results of the LDDS (low dose dex) or any other tests that were performed recently so we can all see the numbers.

Just an FYI - Performing a LDDS (low dose dex) and with having elevated values really does not diagnose Cushing's. Has another test been done ACTH and has an abdominal ultrasound been performed to see the condition of the adrenal glands? There are other conditions that have the same symptoms and really should be eliminated (thyroid conditions, diabetes). Her pup should be checked for these conditions as well with the symptoms you are describing.

Testing for atypical is different for testing for pituitary or adrenal dependent Cushing's. If a dog continues to exhibit Cushing's symptoms, yet tests negative or borderline for Cushing's on the usual tests (ACTH & LDDS) then test for atypical - read through this link about this -http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/showthread.php?t=198

Here is a great link to read through that will explain a lot about Cushing's ..http://www.kateconnick.com/library/cushingsdisease.html and here

Some breeds seem to be predisposed to developing Cushing's, but I have not read where chis are in that group.

Keep us posted
Terry

molly muffin
08-24-2012, 04:00 PM
Hi and welcome.

Terry gave you some wonderful links to get started with. When you get the test results just post the abnormal results, high/low, range in here and some of our more knowledgeable members can take a look.
I see what you mean about thinking atypical based upon the milk issue. It could be worth it to you to have that test done and sent off to UofT for results.

Again so glad you found us. Hang in there!

Hugs,
Sharlene

jsvera
09-09-2012, 01:23 PM
My baby didn't last long after her diagnosis. Ten days of meds and she developed pancreatitis and peritonitis. After a week of IV antibiotics and fluids her lung collapsed. I couldn't let her suffer any longer. She will be sorely missed. We loved her so much! I know I need to stop crying at the drop of a hat but the tears just don't want to stop.

Bo's Mom
09-09-2012, 01:32 PM
I am so terribly sorry that your baby has passed away. I was just reading your post and shocked to read that this has happened. Please know that you have many here who will be here to console and help through the difficult times that you are experiencing. Praying for you to have the strength to get through the hard times.

addy
09-09-2012, 01:33 PM
I am so very sorry to read this news. I cant imagine how you are feeling right now. This is such a hard time for you. Please know that you can come here and talk whenever you need to, we are here for you.

My heart goes out to you.

Squirt's Mom
09-09-2012, 01:48 PM
Oh, I am so sorry to hear about Tink. It sounds as if you did everything that could have been done to help her overcome this. When you saw that all effort was failing, you gave her the greatest gift of all - freedom. I know she is ever so grateful to you for all you did for her throughout her life.

Our deepest sympathies,
Leslie, Squirt, Trinket, Brick, Tasha, and our Angels, Ruby and Crystal

apollo6
09-09-2012, 03:53 PM
I am so sorry for the lose of your beloved Tinkerbell.
We are hear for you . Tinkerbell was your baby. You have a right to your feeling. Cry when you need to, feel when you need to. Many of us have been there and some of us are still going through it.
Hugs Sonja and Apollo

Cyn719
09-09-2012, 04:29 PM
So sorry for the lost of your baby Trink.....cry all you want....you loved Trink....I lost my Penny like a month ago....still crying.....just remember you did all you could and Trink had a wonderful life with you.

Love hugs prayers support strength

Cindy

Nika'sMom
09-09-2012, 05:07 PM
I am truly sorry for your loss..the pain will ease with time, but you cry all you want right now because it will help you to release your pain..and then cry some more..again, I am so sorry..hugs Lynda

Nikki
09-09-2012, 08:10 PM
I'm so sorry for your loss, I can't imagine how awful you must feel :(.

BreeandDaisy
09-09-2012, 08:39 PM
Sorry to hear about your beloved Tinkerbell. I lost one of my dogs in June, and my second one has also been diagnosed with Cushings. Losing a pet is never easy. They are our family. My thoughts are with your at this time and I do hope your happier memories of Tinkerbell help you through this.

jmac
09-09-2012, 09:33 PM
I am so very sorry for your loss. I hope that your happy memories will soon fill your mind more than sadness and that there will be fewer tears each day. You are in my thoughts...

Julie & Hannah

jsvera
09-10-2012, 03:17 AM
I ran across some information online today about a recall earlier this year on Costco dog food. I recently started feeding my dogs Costco food after a dog trainer I took them to said it was excellent food. Many of the posts were from people who's dogs died of pancreatitis after switching to Costco food. I have two other dogs who are eating this food and seem to be fine but now I'm afraid to feed it to them and don't know what to buy in it's place. I didn't realize there had been so many dog food recalls. I sincerely hope my Tinkerbell was not poisoned by tainted food. I've spent hours trying to research this and it just makes my head swim.

Roxee's Dad
09-11-2012, 02:19 AM
I am so very sorry for your loss. Rest in Peace sweet Tinkerbell, you are our newest and brightest star in the sky.

infoviewer
09-11-2012, 07:45 AM
So sorry for your loss of sweet Tinkerbell. I know the loss is so hard now. Always remember the good times with her and how much you loved her and you took great care of her. Love, JoAnne

Casey's Mom
09-11-2012, 10:59 AM
I am so sorry - RIP sweet Tinkerbell.

Love and hugs,

MBK
09-12-2012, 12:13 AM
I am so sorry for the loss of your sweet Tinkerbell. I hadn't heard anything about the Costco food. I do know that dogs with Cushing's are more prone to pancreatitis. My Alivia had a very serious bout of pancreatitis and was hospitalized for 5 days last year. It was touch and go with her for awhile. I still have to be very careful to feed her low fat food. I found Evanger's canned food is high in protein and low in fat, but also not readily available.

Again, I am truly sorry for your loss. Our dogs are definitely part of our family.

molly muffin
09-12-2012, 02:18 AM
I am so sorry to hear of the loss of little Tink. We grieve with you.

Hugs
Sharlene

Maya
09-12-2012, 03:44 PM
May God comfort you during this difficult time.....
Hugs from Leah and Maya

Squirt's Mom
09-12-2012, 04:57 PM
Hi,

Mary Beth is right - our cush babies are simply prone to pancreatitis. A low fat diet is recommended for dogs with Cushing's for this reason but there are other factors to consider as well, like age, activity level and so on. The Costco feed may have been just fine for Tinkerbell and something completely unrelated set the organ off. When Squirt had her acute attack following abdominal surgery, the surgeon told me the pancreas was a very touchy, finicky organ, was easily upset, and not always willing to return to normal.

If you want to learn about some other feed options, we have a thread in the Everything Else section on nutrition. You can find it here -

http://www.k9cushings.com/forum/showthread.php?t=762

Don't let that old demon, Guilt, start whispering in your ear, honey. The very fact that you came here and reached out to us for help says that you loved Tinkerbell a great deal and wanted to help her in any way you could. I know your baby girl understands this and knows that you did all you could for her, including letting her go when it was clear she was slipping further away.

Hugs,
Leslie and the gang